broverpowerd Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 This is exactly how I feel, the wrath axe is super unreliable and I would rather drop it for wrathmongers, or even for an additional reavers! I also tinkered with the ideas of dropping the Hexgorger skulls and taking a 5 man unit of skullreapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathies Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 That’s definitely tough - skullreapers are probably my favorite unit and I feel that they’re definitely good at what they do but with a double pile - in and two thirster you’re not really lacking on damage out put I don’t think. And not to mention mongers aren’t exactly slouches either with 26 attacks with a secrator at 3/3/-1/1 on the charge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broverpowerd Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 The hope is to be able to keep the bloodletters, thirster, and skarbrand benefitting from the added attack. To me, playing 4 thirsters is super lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathies Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Eh I say to each their own haha I personally like the mortals a lot and was a huge fan of the 40k daemonkin book so I like a list that fits that thematically. But yeah I think your list is tough as is, and not that they would be overkill, but I I think the extra bubble of wrathmonger buff does more for you than the damage of skullreapers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkrash Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Both lists are OK. What are the bloodletters for? It's a lot of points invested in something to hold objectives. Khorne doesn't hold objectives: he kills what's on them, scores them, and keeps moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broverpowerd Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 So I think that the bloodletters are a really good tarpit. MW's on 6's and rerolling 1s, you are getting 12 in combat at a time usually. That's not to shabby they do have rend. Also, they are able to pile in and the thirster allows 6 inch pile in. So you can fight, pile in 6 and fight again. That's pretty good IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent of Chaos Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I thought a tarpit was something that holds the enemy in place by staying alive? Bloodletters die to a stiff breeze and 30 of them are unwieldy to move and keep within aura range. As its a tournament against top tier players I wouldn't recommend them at all. I reckon 3 units of flesh hounds would serve you better or skullreapers and something else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent of Chaos Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Also just realised you have a leader slot free and that's almost criminal in khorne. Definitely get a 3rd slaughter priest in there as a 3rd bloodboil/prayer/unbind is invaluable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) On 11/15/2020 at 5:45 PM, Agent of Chaos said: Also just realised you have a leader slot free and that's almost criminal in khorne. This the way. Having said that, I've had good success with only 3 chars + Wrathmongers + Shrine + going heavy on units that buff themselves. This was after an emotional breakdown from shooting armies pinging my support chars off the table repeatedly... Edited November 16, 2020 by Roark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent of Chaos Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 This is the way. However now I'm curious to know more about that low hero count list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Agent of Chaos said: This is the way. However now I'm curious to know more about that low hero count list... Haha, no one here will like it. It has a million drops, but it can take 40 wounds in Turn 1 and counterpunch alpha strikes to death. As mentioned, it focuses on buffs that can't easily taken away. Marauders with 4 attacks each are what people most freak out about, but it's the Knights who deliver the killing strike (even if only 6 or 7 get into charge), with rerolls to everything offensive. Allegiance: KhorneMortal Realm: UlguChaos Lord on Daemonic Mount (170)- General- Command Trait: Berzerker Lord- Artefact: The Crimson CrownBloodsecrator (120)Slaughterpriest (100)- Blood Blessing: Blood Sacrifice40 x Chaos Marauders (320)- Axes & Shields15 x Chaos Warriors (270)- Halberd & Shield10 x Bloodreavers (70)- Meatripper Axes10 x Bloodreavers (70)- Meatripper Axes10 x Bloodreavers (70)- Meatripper Axes5 x Wrathmongers (140)5 x Wrathmongers (140)10 x Chaos Knights (320)- Cursed LanceChaos Warshrine (170)- Blood Blessing: Bronzed FleshHexgorger Skulls (40)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: BFTBGWounds: 191 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent of Chaos Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 @Roark You're a madman! Looks like a true chaos horde though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll.exe Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/16/2020 at 11:07 PM, Roark said: This the way. Having said that, I've had good success with only 3 chars + Wrathmongers + Shrine + going heavy on units that buff themselves. This was after an emotional breakdown from shooting armies pinging my support chars off the table repeatedly... This hits close to home lol. I definitely feel ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRhulak Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Hi, So another guy has joined our gaming group and he is going to play Tzeentch. (Guess where this is going) So of course, I’m worried about the shooting. Would the tactics vs this list be roughly the same as vs Skaven? (Ie units that dont need heroes to function well. Thanks Salyx) Roark’s list looks really good so I’ll try it as soon as possible. Should help a lot against that stupid, cowardly shooting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 7 hours ago, LordRhulak said: Roark’s list looks really good so I’ll try it as soon as possible. Should help a lot against that stupid, cowardly shooting... You might consider a Bloodstoker, even if he ends up being flamebait. If your Knights miss their charges and/or or get delayed too much by Horrors, it hurts to get toasted (even with 3+ 6++ saves) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRhulak Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) Yeah, he’d be quite a good hero to have. What do you think I should swap him for though? Also, what do you use for screening? It seems like the bloodreavers fall short and it would be a shame to waste the damage output of the Marauders on screening. Edited November 19, 2020 by LordRhulak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/20/2020 at 7:56 AM, LordRhulak said: Yeah, he’d be quite a good hero to have. What do you think I should swap him for though? It's hard for me to make any changes to that list, because it squeezes the points as far as they'll go, and the whole principles change. It becomes something quite different. On 11/20/2020 at 7:56 AM, LordRhulak said: Also, what do you use for screening? It seems like the bloodreavers fall short and it would be a shame to waste the damage output of the Marauders on screening. The above list uses Reavers insofar as it's possible which, as you've noted, is far from ideal. But it's a reactive list and they're kinda OK for that. For screens, I normally like Warhounds (for coverage) or Centigors (just... better in every way except coverage). Here's an alternate list but, as you can see, it's significantly different. There's little chance of giving any of the major hammers +2 attacks. It has better reach, and a proper screen, but less chaff to play around with. The loathsome Sorcerer could be a Chaos Lord I guess (and there would be CPs available for him), but with no Thermalrider cloak I just don't know about that guy... Maybe I'm a bit irrational by hanging onto the Chaos Warriors, but they're just sooo solid. Allegiance: KhorneMortal Realm: UlguChaos Lord on Daemonic Mount (170)- General- Command Trait: Berzerker Lord- Artefact: The Crimson CrownBloodsecrator (120)Bloodstoker (80)Slaughterpriest (100)- Blood Blessing: Blood SacrificeChaos Sorcerer Lord (110)- Mark of Chaos: Undivided- Allies40 x Chaos Marauders (320)- Axes & Shields15 x Chaos Warriors (270)- Halberd & Shield10 x Bloodreavers (70)- Meatripper Axes5 x Wrathmongers (140)10 x Chaos Knights (320)- Cursed Lance10 x Chaos Warhounds (80)- AlliesChaos Warshrine (170)- Blood Blessing: Bronzed FleshHexgorger Skulls (40)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 190 / 400Wounds: 176 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRhulak Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) Thanks! I think I like the first list more. As you said, bigger range for +1 attacks from the warthmongers and more punch. I have a couple of questions. Do you think that the command trait outweighs the negatives of having no slaughter host? Also, when mortal wounds are applied, do you get to roll the Chaos Warriors Runeshield and then the Warshrine 6+ aura or can you only do one? Edited November 22, 2020 by LordRhulak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharklone Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Hey guys, Looking to start s Khorne army for a year long slow grow / Narrative campaign. Looking for some advice on how to build a list. (Brand new, own no models yet. but keen for some blood for the blood god.) Keen to do a mortal List. Maybe have some Daemons set aside for summoning. The list will be built around my general who will likely be a; Chaos Lord on Karkadrak Command trait - HEW THE FOE - +1 Damage to melee weapons Artefact - GORE CLEAVER - +1 Rend., sixes double the damage My understanding of this combo is, if I make his Axe the Gorecleaver, he will do 3 damage on a hit... 6 on a 6 to wound... plus his other attacks Is this a suitable General? Or should I be looking at something else? The idea is the General has to remain constant throughout the year and this dude seems like a good choice. I plan on buying the heads of heroes he kills through the campaign and make a little shrine dedicated to his murder. How many of the other heroes should I be looking at? 2 slaughter priests? a secrater? a stoker? And what battleline and other units should I be looking at for Gotetide / gore pilgrims... I forget which is the alleigance and which is the battalion... Like I said... I own nothing... so please make some suggestions on what you would do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent of Chaos Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 @Sharklone Lord on Karkadrak is great choice for general and appears to suit the campaign nicely. A priest or 2, secrator and stoker are all great support heroes for the rest of your army so that is where most lists start. Flesh hounds are my favourite battleline but if you want to run gore pilgrims battalion you will need reavers and blood warriors (both of which can be buffed by the goretide allegiance command ability). You might also consider a unit of chaos knights to utilise the Karkadrak's command ability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathies Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 @Sharklone totally agree with @Agent of Chaos! With that said, I think snagging a goreblade warband SC and the s2d would be good because you can get the chungus, some knights and 3 battleline along with some extra goodies like a khorgorath, bloodstoker, and a mighty lord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll.exe Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 10:12 AM, Sharklone said: I plan on buying the heads of heroes he kills through the campaign and make a little shrine dedicated to his murder. First of all, this is incredible lol. In terms of the list, it depends on The points. If it’s 2k I’d look at gore pilgrims, probably 2x10 reavers and 1x5 warriors for battleline requirements. That’ll get you your 2 slaughterpriests and secrator in a single drop too. And personally, and this will probably hurt your soul to paint, I’d go 2x10 knights. As mentioned above you get some serious use out of that command ability from your general. Probably top up with 40 Marauders and you’ll be about there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkanautDadmiral Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) Looking for a bit of advice while i plan out what to possibly buy. Is a mostly mounted list viable at all? Knights, Mighty Skull Crushers, possibly Marauder Horsemen? Something like: Chaos Lord On Kharkadrak Lord On Jug Secrator Slaughterpriest Slaughterpriest 10x Knights 3x Skullcrushers 3x Skullcrushers 5x Flesh hounds 5x Flesh hounds 5x Flesh hounds +350 points to play with? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Edited November 25, 2020 by ArmyOfGrodd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathies Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 @ArmyOfGrodd As far as I know, a brass stampede list I pretty solid, especially with how much mortal wounds you can put out now - but if you go for that you’ll need at least a couple more boxes of skullcrushers, as you’ll likely want to go all in for it! Brass stampede/gore pilgrims used to be a thing when battalions weren’t so expensive but I’m not entirely sure that’s the case any more! Either way it will be an awesome list that’s for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkanautDadmiral Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Pathies said: @ArmyOfGrodd As far as I know, a brass stampede list I pretty solid, especially with how much mortal wounds you can put out now - but if you go for that you’ll need at least a couple more boxes of skullcrushers, as you’ll likely want to go all in for it! Brass stampede/gore pilgrims used to be a thing when battalions weren’t so expensive but I’m not entirely sure that’s the case any more! Either way it will be an awesome list that’s for sure! Playing around with Gorepilgrim + Brass Stampede lists at the moment and i just can't get the points to work, ended up with the below. No Karkadrak, but a Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount and a Lord On Jug. I could drop the Lord on Mount for a cheaper hero then add another 10x Reavers but i like his command ability. Spoiler Chaos Lord On Daemonic Mount Lord On Jug Secrator Slaughterpriest Slaughterpriest 10x Knights 3x Skullcrushers 3x Skullcrushers 3x Skullcrushers 5x Blood Warriors 10x Reavers Wrath Axe Hexgorger Skulls Brass Stampede Gorepilgrims 2000 points on the nose Or maybe to get the Karkadrak in: Spoiler Chaos Lord On Karkadrak Lord On Jug Secrator Slaughterpriest Slaughterpriest 10x Knights 3x Skullcrushers 3x Skullcrushers 3x Skullcrushers 5x Blood Warriors 10x Reavers 10x Reavers Wrath Axe Hexgorger Skulls Gorepilgrims 1990 Points I'll keep playing around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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