Lightbox Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 What are people's thoughts on how well the Claws of Karnak can slot in? I love their models but I'm not yet familiar enough with the book to know how they might stack up against our other foot troop mortal options like bloodreavers or blood warriors (warriors obv will be far more tanky). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medivouk Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 So I had my first game with the full demon list I posted on page 315. Was vs stormcast. Ended up tabling him at the top of turn 3. I was already ahead on vps, but I will admit, that my mortal wounds and battleshock tests for the deamons were red hot. Returning 2 skullcrushers and about 10 bloodletters to the field with a mix of the blood throne prayer, rolling 1s on battleshock tests and the command trait. Bloodthirster with Arcane tome would have been much better with the 4+ ward vs mortals in hindsight, but he still did lots of work! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itgnightraven Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, medivouk said: So I had my first game with the full demon list I posted on page 315. Was vs stormcast. Ended up tabling him at the top of turn 3. I was already ahead on vps, but I will admit, that my mortal wounds and battleshock tests for the deamons were red hot. Returning 2 skullcrushers and about 10 bloodletters to the field with a mix of the blood throne prayer, rolling 1s on battleshock tests and the command trait. Bloodthirster with Arcane tome would have been much better with the 4+ ward vs mortals in hindsight, but he still did lots of work! nice, what did your opponent run? was arcane tome feeling worth it? did you have flaming weapons or ghost mist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibel Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Very nize. I had a similar Idea for my Son (10 jes he play AoS jes Khorne ) What do u think about this list: Spoiler Allegiance: Khorne- Slaughterhost: The Bloodletters- Mortal Realm: Ghur- Grand Strategy: Take What's TheirsLeadersSkarbrand (380)*Bloodmaster (110)*- Prayer: Blood Sacrifice - Artefact: Halo of BloodSlaughterpriest (110)* - Prayer: Unholy FlamesHerald of Khorne on Blood Throne (160)- General- Command Trait: Embodiement of Wrath- Artefact: Mark oft he Bloodreaver - Prayer: Killer InstinctBloodstoker (90)Battleline6 x Bloodcrushers (360) *- Reinforced x 120 x Bloodletters (360) *- Reinforced x 110 x Bloodletters (180) *10 x Bloodreavers (80) *- Reaver BladesUnits3 x Magore's Fiends (120) *1 x RiptoothEndless Spells & InvocationsHexgorger Skulls (50) Battelregiment *Total: 2000 / 2000Reinforced Units: 2 / 4Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 110Drops: 3 We just need the Bloodthrone for this. Or what would u choose for a army with the folloing Models (pls he loves Skarbrand so it would be very cool if Skarbrand is in the list) Spoiler LeadersSkarbrand (380)Slaughterpriest (110) Slaughterpriest (110)Bloodsecrator (110)Bloodstoker (90)Karanak (140)Mighty Lord of Khorne (130) Bloodmaster (110)Battleline10 x Bloodletters (180) 10 x Bloodletters (180)10 x Bloodletters (180)10 x Blood Warriors (190)- Goreaxes10 x Bloodreavers (80)- Reaver Blades5 x Flesh Hounds (100)5 x Flesh Hounds (100)Units1 x Khorgoraths (110)1 x Khorgoraths (110)3 x Magore's Fiends (0)1 x Riptooth (120)3 x Bloodcrushers (180)3 x Bloodcrushers (180) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medivouk Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I was up against :List Lord relictor Lord imperitant Knight zepheros 10 x vindictors 10 x judicators 5 x sequitors 3 x rapters hurricane xbows 3 x annilators shield 3 x annilators shield 3 x annilators big hammers 1 hour ago, itgnightraven said: nice, what did your opponent run? was arcane tome feeling worth it? did you have flaming weapons or ghost mist? And I was running flaming weapon. But he'd taken about wounds before he hit combat. Mostly mortals, so shrugging 50% I think would be better. Especially as theres a number of kruelboys players on my area... so lots of mortal wounds flying about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimrock Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Lightbox said: What are people's thoughts on how well the Claws of Karnak can slot in? I love their models but I'm not yet familiar enough with the book to know how they might stack up against our other foot troop mortal options like bloodreavers or blood warriors (warriors obv will be far more tanky). I've never looked at their warscroll before today, but they look kind of... ok I guess? They're sort of like slightly better bloodreavers but without a real role. They do slightly more damage than reavers (as if they have reaver blades with rend and reach and a special weapon), but they're still not doing much damage overall with a 4+/4+. They're slightly faster with the pre-game move, but they're not really tough enough to hold the points they get to and I don't think the army is hurting for alpha strikes thanks to the new movement shenanigans. I haven't really had much experience but honestly on paper I'm not really sure I'd reach for them. If I wanted cheap bodies I'd go for reavers since neither unit is going to do much damage in combat anyway. If I wanted infantry to hold a point I'd go for bloodwarriors. If I wanted fast cheap units I'd go for flesh hounds as they're excellent screens. I could maybe see having one unit to go grab a flank objective or something to try to split up my opponents forces, but that's about all I can think of. 4 hours ago, ibel said: Very nize. I had a similar Idea for my Son (10 jes he play AoS jes Khorne ) What do u think about this list: Hide contents Allegiance: Khorne- Slaughterhost: The Bloodletters- Mortal Realm: Ghur- Grand Strategy: Take What's TheirsLeadersSkarbrand (380)*Bloodmaster (110)*- Prayer: Blood Sacrifice - Artefact: Halo of BloodSlaughterpriest (110)* - Prayer: Unholy FlamesHerald of Khorne on Blood Throne (160)- General- Command Trait: Embodiement of Wrath- Artefact: Mark oft he Bloodreaver - Prayer: Killer InstinctBloodstoker (90)Battleline6 x Bloodcrushers (360) *- Reinforced x 120 x Bloodletters (360) *- Reinforced x 110 x Bloodletters (180) *10 x Bloodreavers (80) *- Reaver BladesUnits3 x Magore's Fiends (120) *1 x RiptoothEndless Spells & InvocationsHexgorger Skulls (50) Battelregiment *Total: 2000 / 2000Reinforced Units: 2 / 4Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 110Drops: 3 We just need the Bloodthrone for this. Or what would u choose for a army with the folloing Models (pls he loves Skarbrand so it would be very cool if Skarbrand is in the list) Hide contents LeadersSkarbrand (380)Slaughterpriest (110) Slaughterpriest (110)Bloodsecrator (110)Bloodstoker (90)Karanak (140)Mighty Lord of Khorne (130) Bloodmaster (110)Battleline10 x Bloodletters (180) 10 x Bloodletters (180)10 x Bloodletters (180)10 x Blood Warriors (190)- Goreaxes10 x Bloodreavers (80)- Reaver Blades5 x Flesh Hounds (100)5 x Flesh Hounds (100)Units1 x Khorgoraths (110)1 x Khorgoraths (110)3 x Magore's Fiends (0)1 x Riptooth (120)3 x Bloodcrushers (180)3 x Bloodcrushers (180) I really like the look of the first list, but I don't think the bloodstoker would be very helpful since you don't have many mortal units. If you swapped him out for another unit of reavers I think it would be better. Also I would try to find a way to get the Killer Instinct prayer in there, it's an incredibly good prayer for helping our army get up the field faster. It's harder to tell with the second list as I've never played a game that big before. I think it looks ok though and it seems to have all the important components. It would definitely be a very bloody game which is always fun. Edited March 29, 2023 by Grimrock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tallest_Ork Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Now that a handful of our heroes have -2 rend on the warscroll, Gorecleaver and a Skullgrinder's ability can get them to -4 rend. -5 for a turn if you throw in a prayer. Probably not an optimal tournament build, but I think it could certainly be a fun surprise to really sharpen up a Juggernaut Lord and let him wade through an opponent's tankiest unit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Is skulltaker unique yet or can he still get artifacts and be a gally champ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherGoose Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, The_Tallest_Ork said: Now that a handful of our heroes have -2 rend on the warscroll, Gorecleaver and a Skullgrinder's ability can get them to -4 rend. -5 for a turn if you throw in a prayer. Probably not an optimal tournament build, but I think it could certainly be a fun surprise to really sharpen up a Juggernaut Lord and let him wade through an opponent's tankiest unit. I had a jugg lord tempered weapon and the item that gives +1 rend and mortals on 6s, had the prayer for -1 rend and he was my MVP. Nigh on unkillable with 2+ and 5++ vs spells, and shreds now he has 6 attacks (he was also rend 4 most of the time and I rolled a lot of 6s). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherGoose Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, The Red King said: Is skulltaker unique yet or can he still get artifacts and be a gally champ? Unique now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleb Daark Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Going to play with mighty lord on Juggernaut, valkia, and skaarac with six units of skullcrushers this weekend. victory? - pah objectives - pah visual feast - oh most certainly! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibel Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 14 hours ago, Grimrock said: I really like the look of the first list, but I don't think the bloodstoker would be very helpful since you don't have many mortal units. If you swapped him out for another unit of reavers I think it would be better. Also I would try to find a way to get the Killer Instinct prayer in there, it's an incredibly good prayer for helping our army get up the field faster. It's harder to tell with the second list as I've never played a game that big before. I think it looks ok though and it seems to have all the important components. It would definitely be a very bloody game which is always fun. ahh thats: i must miss read the bloodstoker and that he only can wip Bloodbound (mortal) Khorne Units. Okay he goes out and the Hex for another priest or maybe mhmm something other ?!?! And no the 2second list is all we have, not a game. So maybe we can build a list out of this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightbox Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 So I really like the goofy looking skullgrinder and do like the idea of him (especially for only 90 points). How viable would it be to possibly take 2 of them to give each other +1 rend and get 2 gally vets for cheap or is it far better to use that +1 rend on a different combat hero? I know a lot of the gorechosen heroes in general probably aren't too useful outside of beatsticks but I do wanna consider using a few of them because I'm not used to being able to take beatstick foot heroes in my armies and it looks like fun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimrock Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 15 hours ago, ibel said: ahh thats: i must miss read the bloodstoker and that he only can wip Bloodbound (mortal) Khorne Units. Okay he goes out and the Hex for another priest or maybe mhmm something other ?!?! And no the 2second list is all we have, not a game. So maybe we can build a list out of this Ah, I understand. Yeah it's tricky as he's cheaper than most priests. If it were me I think I'd drop him and the bloodreavers to try out the new realmgore ritualist and then put in the wrathaxe, but dropping him and the skulls for a mighty lord of khorne could work too. 12 hours ago, Lightbox said: So I really like the goofy looking skullgrinder and do like the idea of him (especially for only 90 points). How viable would it be to possibly take 2 of them to give each other +1 rend and get 2 gally vets for cheap or is it far better to use that +1 rend on a different combat hero? I know a lot of the gorechosen heroes in general probably aren't too useful outside of beatsticks but I do wanna consider using a few of them because I'm not used to being able to take beatstick foot heroes in my armies and it looks like fun! I think someone mentioned using him and the Gorecleaver relic to completely overcharge a lord on juggernaught which sounded pretty fun. If you were to go with the pair buffing eachother then I'd be tempted to go all the way with a Gorechosen battalion and the command trait for +1 attacks on all gorechosen. Really lean into the beatstick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarband Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Hi i try to run heavy cavalary list i live skullcrushers yesterday i run 18x in battleregiment they can alfa stricke but dont have enought DMG what do you thing: - Army Faction: Blades of Khorne - Subfaction: The Flayed LEADERS Lord of Khorne on Juggernaut (170) - General - Artefacts of Power: Gorecleaver Slaughterpriest (110) - Bloodbathed Axe - Prayers: Killer Instinct Realmgore Ritualist (100) - Prayers: Bronzed Flesh BATTLELINE Mighty Skullcrushers (400) - Standard Bearer - Hornblower - Skullhunter - Bloodglaive Mighty Skullcrushers (400) - Bloodglaive Mighty Skullcrushers (200) - Bloodglaive OTHER Varanguard (290) - 3 x Fellspear Varanguard (290) - 3 x Fellspear ENDLESS SPELLS & INVOCATIONS 1 x Bleeding Icon (40) TOTAL POINTS: 2000/2000 Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll.exe Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 BoUFs Beckon the hunt means summoned units will reliably make it into combat the turn they’re summoned. That’s a brilliant little combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightbox Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 10:41 PM, Grimrock said: I think someone mentioned using him and the Gorecleaver relic to completely overcharge a lord on juggernaught which sounded pretty fun. If you were to go with the pair buffing eachother then I'd be tempted to go all the way with a Gorechosen battalion and the command trait for +1 attacks on all gorechosen. Really lean into the beatstick. That sounds like a ton of fun. I might have to try that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 So in another case of "oops all spam" while list building I ended up contemplating this list. Skullfiend tribe Bleeding icon Skull altar Skarbrand Bloodsecrator with banner of blood Bloodstoker Realmgore ritualis general w/ high priest of khorne, killer instinct, blood sacrifice, & tunnel master 10 skullreapers ×3 5 wrathmongers That's it. Just throw a ton of skullreapers that rally on a 4+ at the opponent. Their damage is respectable even with almost no buffs and weve got buffs. Tunnel master maybe should go on the bloodsecrator instead but the way it works so nicely with the ritualists desecrate ability (end of move phase after teleport) is just really nice. 2nd prayer is really up in the air, maybe take an extra artifact or even gallation champion ability for leadership of the alpha on the bloodsecrator to rally more? First summon is probably definitely going to be another priest though to grab another prayer and then dogs for bodies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenson Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) I love the army and the new rules are very cool but I'm not a big fan of the old mortal models. The new mortals on the other hand look extraordinary. Does anyone know of bitz/alternative heads/parts to convert an army with a kind of Aztec theme? Edited April 3, 2023 by spenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acovarru91 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Can someone with the battletome verify if the Bloodsecrator has the Gorechosen keyword? It has it on Battlescribe but the official AoS app doesn't have it listed on the warscroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrick Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 3 hours ago, acovarru91 said: Can someone with the battletome verify if the Bloodsecrator has the Gorechosen keyword? It has it on Battlescribe but the official AoS app doesn't have it listed on the warscroll He is Gorechosen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willange Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 So the new Bloodsecrator Rage of Khorne ability can only be used once per game regardless of how many bloodsecrators you bring, right? Quote Once per battle, at the start of the combat phase, you can pick 1 friendly unit on the battlefield with this ability to plant its Icon of Khorne. If you do so, add 1 to the Attacks characteristic of melee weapons used by friendly Blades of Khorne Units on the battlefield until the end of that phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Just now, willange said: So the new Bloodsecrator Rage of Khorne ability can only be used once per game regardless of how many bloodsecrators you bring, right? I believe it is once per game per "friendly unit on the battlefield with this ability." What's unclear to me is if you can bring say 3 and pick them one after the other to activate all on the same turn. It seems like you would pick 1 to activate then pick 1 to activate then pick 1 to activate since simultaneous effects are just carried out in an order of the controlling players choosing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willange Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Yeah, hopefully they address this ability in the FAQ. I'm not clear on that either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimrock Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, willange said: So the new Bloodsecrator Rage of Khorne ability can only be used once per game regardless of how many bloodsecrators you bring, right? I'm pretty sure you're right, the wording is the same as on the new Keeper of Secrets double fight ability. If you could use it multiple times I would expect it to say something like once per battle for each unit that has this ability or something similar, but it just says once per battle. It's a little weird because we don't usually have a rule on units that can be taken multiple times but is still limited to once per battle, but I'm pretty sure that's the intention. Edited April 4, 2023 by Grimrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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