ACBelMutie Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I'm making a tournament list and I think Legion of Blood can be an excelent way to have a powerful no-unique General. I was thinking about a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon as General with Walking Dead Command Trait for mortal wounds and ethereal amulet for resistence. I'm not sure if Neferata can be a nice friend or some Reapers can be still nice for a good attack. Greetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, ACBelMutie said: I'm making a tournament list and I think Legion of Blood can be an excelent way to have a powerful no-unique General. I was thinking about a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon as General with Walking Dead Command Trait for mortal wounds and ethereal amulet for resistence. I'm not sure if Neferata can be a nice friend or some Reapers can be still nice for a good attack. Greetings Double Dragon/ Dragon & Neferata is a solid combo of the LoB. Ethereal Amulet VLoZD is totally gnarly and abusable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartxac Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 10:53 PM, ACBelMutie said: I'm making a tournament list and I think Legion of Blood can be an excelent way to have a powerful no-unique General. I was thinking about a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon as General with Walking Dead Command Trait for mortal wounds and ethereal amulet for resistence. I'm not sure if Neferata can be a nice friend or some Reapers can be still nice for a good attack. Greetings But if you play legion of blood with neferata, she must be the general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Sartxac said: But if you play legion of blood with neferata, she must be the general. That's why I don't want her in my list, because I miss walking dead in the VLoZD. Greetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor_Jesues Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) On 6/24/2019 at 10:53 PM, ACBelMutie said: I'm making a tournament list and I think Legion of Blood can be an excelent way to have a powerful no-unique General. I was thinking about a Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon as General with Walking Dead Command Trait for mortal wounds and ethereal amulet for resistence. I'm not sure if Neferata can be a nice friend or some Reapers can be still nice for a good attack. Greetings even though the amulet is quite awesome i would argue that in this precise situation, the artifact ghyrstrike could be almost as good. I would not take Neferata since she is still pretty overcosted and squishy. A coven throne would be a nice buffing piece, expecially if you take (and i suggest you do) a squad of 10 blood knights Edited June 27, 2019 by Raptor_Jesues 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Raptor_Jesues said: even though the amulet is quite awesome i would argue that in this precise situation, the artifact ghyrstrike could be almost as good. I would not take Neferata since she is still pretty overcosted and squishy. A coven throne would be a nice buffing piece, expecially if you take (and i suggest you do) a squad of 10 blood knights I'm not sure about that change. One of the big enemies of LoN are Shooters. Saving at 3++ is very powerful (and Mistic shield is awesome in this cases). I see ethereal amulet in every tournament list where there is a Zombie Dragon. The problem are the mortal wounds, I agree in that point. Greetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanruni Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I have used Neferata several times but I have not quite convinced myself how to use her in battle. Can anyone give me any advice? Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Juanruni said: Can anyone give me any advice? Only used her like 3/4 times... the debuff to hit aura is kinda nice, but she is totally overpriced, compared to Arkhan who has far more utility in my opinion. Also the 11hp with 4+ save make her squishy as stated above, while her use is right behind the frontlines, putting her into harms way. Not as bad as mannfred, but still precarious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death1942 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Thinking of diving into Legion of Blood as my first Sigmar army and eying off the following units: 2 vampire lords on dragons 3x5 dire wolves 10 blood knights (not sure if 1 big block or 2 5 man units) 30 grave guard 3 Vargheists No real idea if that is a decent army or not but it looks like it could be fun (and quite fast other than the grave guard). Struggling a bit to see how I can make proper use of the blood legion bonuses, it seems pretty lackluster when it only applies to a handful of units in the whole army. The other army I was considering was with a few more banner units to try and maximise the -1 to bravery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Death1942 said: Thinking of diving into Legion of Blood as my first Sigmar army and eying off the following units: 2 vampire lords on dragons 3x5 dire wolves 10 blood knights (not sure if 1 big block or 2 5 man units) 30 grave guard 3 Vargheists No real idea if that is a decent army or not but it looks like it could be fun (and quite fast other than the grave guard). Struggling a bit to see how I can make proper use of the blood legion bonuses, it seems pretty lackluster when it only applies to a handful of units in the whole army. The other army I was considering was with a few more banner units to try and maximise the -1 to bravery. Get Vhordrai and another VLoZD to activate the VLoZD in the hero phase for 1 command point. Banners don't stack, remember it! Greetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor_Jesues Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Death1942 said: Thinking of diving into Legion of Blood as my first Sigmar army and eying off the following units: ... Take Vhordrai in place of one of the lords. Yes, BK are better in units of 10. The 30 grave guards are not that good unless you are grand host, so i would suggest to exchange those with something else, like a coven throne and some skellies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death1942 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Thanks for the replies, my list is now looking like this: Vampire lord on zDragon: General, Sanguine Blur, Ethereal Amulet, Vile Transference Vhordrai Necromancer: Overwhelming Dread 2x5 Direwolves 40 Skeletons: Swords 10 Blood Knights Purple Sun Extra command point The grave guard definitely don't feel as good as the skeletons for their points. Added a necromancer to try and get some debuff spells in via the death lore. Not overly sure what the necromancer is going to do, maybe he can sit on an objective down back but then he won't really have anything other than maybe some dire wolves to back him up. Hoping that 10 blood knights and 2 dragons slamming into something will give me enough of a boost to close out a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) I'm still changing my list because I think it has some weaknesses I need to eliminate. I have 2 lists in my mind using Legion of Blood. I wanted a powerfull General who could survive to resurrect if needed and named heroes can't use artifacts. That's the reason I chose the VLoZD as my General withe amethystine pinions. List 1: Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon - General - Ethereal Amulet - Walking Dead 1x Necromancer 2x Guardian of Souls 2x30 Grimghast Reapers 3x10 Zombies 1x Chronomatic Cogs 1 Command Point List 2: Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon - General - Ethereal Amulet - Walking Dead 2x Necromancer 1x Guardian of Souls 1x30 Grimghast Reapers 2x10 Zombies 1x40 Skeleton Warriors 1x20 Grave Guard 1 Command Point What do you think about the lists? Greetings Edited July 6, 2019 by ACBelMutie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 16 hours ago, ACBelMutie said: What do you think about the lists? I always consider a necromancer for general... bit safer when the VloZd goes on a rampage. and I‘m not quite sure why you’re going for Legion of Blood. No Bloodknights, no bravery bombs...?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Honk said: I always consider a necromancer for general... bit safer when the VloZd goes on a rampage. and I‘m not quite sure why you’re going for Legion of Blood. No Bloodknights, no bravery bombs...?! Walking dead in VLoZD witch has 4 attacks and deals 2/3 mortal wounds when hit rolls are six are quite interesting. Greetings Edited July 7, 2019 by ACBelMutie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 4 hours ago, ACBelMutie said: has 4 attacks and deals 6 mortal wounds when hit rolls are six I‘m not quite sure about that, generals traits do not apply to mounts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Honk said: I‘m not quite sure about that, generals traits do not apply to mounts... Sorry, I wanted to say 2/3 mortal wounds if he gets a 6 when he attacks with his speer (not charging/charging). In addition, +1 attack to all the melee profile attacks are quite good. Greetings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor_Jesues Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, ACBelMutie said: Sorry, I wanted to say 2/3 mortal wounds if he gets a 6 when he attacks with his speer (not charging/charging). In addition, +1 attack to all the melee profile attacks are quite good. Greetings I gets even better if you also give the dude an artifact that gives +1 to hit, triggering the MWs on a 5+. Gyrstrike from Gyran is probably the best one since it also gives you a +1 to wond on top of that. It makes for a really scary melee fighter, almost on the same level of the prince. That said, i REALLY suggest you to make some room for a 10 men unit of blood knights wich are really juicy in LoB Edited July 8, 2019 by Raptor_Jesues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadon Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) For meeting engagement what you think of this list? Sperhead. Black knights Black knights. Main body. Blood knights blood knights Bat swarms Dire wolfs. Vampire lord on nightmare -S vile transference -C aristocracy of blood - A Orb of enchantment. Rearguard Dire wolfs. The idea is to get some early bord control with the black knights, they can do some damage, or die quickly to be resummoned on turn 2 by the vampire, then in round 2/3 charge with the blood knights killing as much as possible, i just hope my opponent has no double turn and prevents me from charging. The wolfs are for grabing objectives, like the bats that also help reducing the damage from shooting. Othet option is : Sperhad Blood knights. Main Vampire lord on zombie dragon (with the rerrol 1s save and minus 1 to hit in combat) Blood knights. Chainswrap , etheral battleline. Rearguard. Chainswrap. More direct to the point, charge and kill, it should have more issues with objectives. Which list you prefer? or what would you change? Edited July 10, 2019 by sadon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, sadon said: Which list you prefer? Blackknights didn’t really perform in my last game and for board control wolves are cheaper. My three main opponents (2xkhorne + nurgle) always field a big nasty, so I would suggest fielding a big unit of bloodknights... but that is not backed up by a lot of experiences. second list is straightforward and takes advantage of all the LoBlood buffs... both are interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadon Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, Honk said: Blackknights didn’t really perform in my last game and for board control wolves are cheaper. My three main opponents (2xkhorne + nurgle) always field a big nasty, so I would suggest fielding a big unit of bloodknights... but that is not backed up by a lot of experiences. second list is straightforward and takes advantage of all the LoBlood buffs... both are interesting Interesting about the black knights underperforming, if there is a lot of big stuff i ll need the vampire on dragon , so going more that way might be a good option. The problem of a big unit of blood knights is that they could only be on the rearguard part, that in most scenarios is only functional for 2 turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, sadon said: Bloodknights..//..they could only be on the rearguard Not really an expert on the rules, but you‘re sure? With the blackknights, it was a good portion of noobness involved, charging 5 into 2 korgharoth things was kinda stupid... but even then, the damage output was a bit underwhelming. In ME you don’t get all your buffs that easily, with the small set up zones, your armies might even be further apart than in a normal game on a big table. Edited July 10, 2019 by Honk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enwolved Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 4 hours ago, sadon said: Main body. Blood knights blood knights Bat swarms Dire wolfs. Vampire lord on nightmare -S vile transference -C aristocracy of blood - A Orb of enchantment. From my experience (played like five meeting engagements so far) it can be problematic too have a contingent with too many models/too many big models. In some scenarios theres only so much space to place your models, it can get quite tricky. In addition to that most of the time you want to deploy most units as close to the point of action as possible. Thats difficult when trying to make them fit into the small deployment area. I havent played the VLOZD in ME yet, but played with a few Blood Knights, that was really fun. I feel like its really important to have fast moving units. 2 hours ago, sadon said: The problem of a big unit of blood knights is that they could only be on the rearguard part, that in most scenarios is only functional for 2 turns. I think you are right here, it feels terrible when the unit thats most important to you, arrives last on the battlefield.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMMachine Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Honk said: Not really an expert on the rules, but you‘re sure? With the blackknights, it was a good portion of noobness involved, charging 5 into 2 korgharoth things was kinda stupid... but even then, the damage output was a bit underwhelming. In ME you don’t get all your buffs that easily, with the small set up zones, your armies might even be further apart than in a normal game on a big table. To play a big unit of Blood Knights, they have to be battleline. So the only way to play a big unit of Blood Knights is playing Soulblight Allegiance, not Legion of Blood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, EMMachine said: they have to be battleline. Sorry, don’t have the book with me... can‘t your main troops be a vamp lord, 5 wolves and ten knights?! start with 2x black knights, then as above, finish off with another batch of dogs...??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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