Nuradin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Nevvermore said: Generals Handbook points are also called Pitched Battle Profiles. It’s just the name they use for Matched Play Points, unit sizes and battlefield roles. The thing here is that the profiles in the Soul Wars box set are different from those in the GHB. For example Reapers are min 4 here but min 10 in the GHB. If you can pick which one to use, then the box set unit sizes would actually be usable in Matched Play. Still noob.. How do you know if you can pick which one to use? Local rules? Some official AoS rule? And I guess the reason for its differing is so that you can just buy soul wars and be able to play from the get go, instead of having to complement everything. Somehow it seems safer from a game play point of view to just go with GHB numbers? Since most tournaments and only army builders will be using those numbers, I guess? Edited June 28, 2018 by Nuradin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scourn1 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 You cant pick unit sizes. They did ****** like this for 40k 8th edition box. Points and such were totally different. GHB18 over rides anything in the soul wars box set for points/unit sizes. Simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuradin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scourn1 said: You cant pick unit sizes. They did ****** like this for 40k 8th edition box. Points and such were totally different. GHB18 over rides anything in the soul wars box set for points/unit sizes. Simple as that That clears things up quite a bit So modifications it is! Let's just hope the people I play against have anything against me playing a stalker more or less as a reaper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neck-Romantic Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Its a calculated business plan to release the box set before anything else with icompatable amounts of models for normal play, that forces long-term players to purchase more troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahn-ket Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Theoretical u right but both came out the same time and as long as I have only the soul wars unit's I use the profiles from the box which should be legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuradin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Neck-Romantic said: Its a calculated business plan to release the box set before anything else with icompatable amounts of models for normal play, that forces long-term players to purchase more troops. It's a clever business model! Cause they know people will buy it no matter what The price is just too good to be true, especially if you are playing both factions. Just the heroes you get in the box is about the entire box worth of cash. Although it's a bit greedy to make the units so incompatible that they aren't even made compatible with the easy to build released boxes At least in the old starter box you could buy easy to build retributors and by that compliment the starter set! Not that it matters much anyway! I would buy the set just for the heroes any day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahn-ket Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Maybe the bring out smaller boxes like thunder and blood later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuradin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Ahn-ket said: Maybe the bring out smaller boxes like thunder and blood later maybe.. Until then they can take all my money as long as the models are ghosts! This Nighthaunt release has gotten me so stoked, cause i've always loved ghosts! I've actually always loved death but never really liked hordes of zombies and skeletons. Zombies are just pointless in any and all ways possible as a villain. But now with Nighthaunt it has actually gotten me into thinking that I can create a death army with Nagash or Arkhan (two of my favorite characters) and maintain an etheral look for the army. I am imagining hordes of skeletons that aren't really skeletons, but something like skeletal ghosts. So basically painting the skeletons in the same painting scheme as the Nighthaunts.. And that has gotten me to think that Death is actually the faction for me now. So doesn't really matter what they release and how greedy their business model is atm.. I would most likely buy it anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevvermore Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, Scourn1 said: You cant pick unit sizes. They did ****** like this for 40k 8th edition box. Points and such were totally different. GHB18 over rides anything in the soul wars box set for points/unit sizes. Simple as that Sure but you can use all the units from the Dark Imperium box in Matched Play, so it’s not really comparable. GW might go out and say that it’s ok to use the Soul Wars unit sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevar Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, Nevvermore said: Sure but you can use all the units from the Dark Imperium box in Matched Play, so it’s not really comparable. GW might go out and say that it’s ok to use the Soul Wars unit sizes. If someone doesn't let you use the Soul Wars unit profiles then they are just being jerks. Quick math says in the Soul Wars box each Grimghast Reaper is worth 15 points. In the General Handbook 2018, each Grimghast is worth 14 point, the ability to be even cheaper if you get the full horde discount. Taking the Soul Wars point costs is actually giving yourself a disadvantage, and if you opponent doesn't allow you to use that unit size profile they are just being vindictive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keldaur Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Nuradin said: It's a clever business model! Cause they know people will buy it no matter what The price is just too good to be true, especially if you are playing both factions. Just the heroes you get in the box is about the entire box worth of cash. Although it's a bit greedy to make the units so incompatible that they aren't even made compatible with the easy to build released boxes At least in the old starter box you could buy easy to build retributors and by that compliment the starter set! Not that it matters much anyway! I would buy the set just for the heroes any day! It works because even with those unusuable units, you are getting a lot of bang for your bucks. I don't think it's smart. If the box came with 5 grimreapers i would have purchased 2 boxes, this way there is no way i buy a second box. And as some people have stated, if you are starting out, playing regular games etc (but you are not playing in a tournament), nobody will give a fly about it, just ask your opponent beforehand to avoid the possibility of it coming off as rude and move on. Edited June 28, 2018 by Keldaur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuradin Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 6 hours ago, Keldaur said: It works because even with those unusuable units, you are getting a lot of bang for your bucks. I don't think it's smart. If the box came with 5 grimreapers i would have purchased 2 boxes, this way there is no way i buy a second box. And as some people have stated, if you are starting out, playing regular games etc (but you are not playing in a tournament), nobody will give a fly about it, just ask your opponent beforehand to avoid the possibility of it coming off as rude and move on. But if you had bought 2 starters you probably wouldn't buy as many specific unit boxes when they release! This way they make it mandatory to buy the unit boxes as well if you wanna go for GHB min sizes! And if you just play regular games people would loose a lot of friends if they didn't allow soul wars numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Had a starter box game with these last night. The Guardian of Souls with his +1 to Wound aura is super nasty. I'm thinking Myrmourn Banshees with the HoersShroud should be pretty evil too. If you can get the Dispel off on them, that's 3 attacks each, 4/3/-2/D3, which will put the hurt on must things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickybluetoffee Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/aos_warscrolls/Downloads-AoS/aos-warscroll-mourngul.pdf New warscroll 300 points 4+ save now, but gets frightful touch. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/aos-monstrous-arcanum.pdf Points on last page. Edited June 29, 2018 by stickybluetoffee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cyclop Owl Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, stickybluetoffee said: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/aos_warscrolls/Downloads-AoS/aos-warscroll-mourngul.pdf New warscroll 300 points 4+ save now, but gets frightful touch. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/aos-monstrous-arcanum.pdf Points on last page. Love this profile! Are Forgeworld warscrolls ever allowed in competitive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herohammer Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 They essentially always are as far as I know given that they have matched play points that are updated reasonably often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Given the new Nighthaunt synergy options as well, it could be a right beast. Easy access to rerolling 1s to Hit and +1 to Wound, for example. D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickybluetoffee Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Spirit Torment can heal it. Guardian of Souls sadly can’t though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 And if the battle traits and such are real it could teleport in automatically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neck-Romantic Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Losing the 3+ save really stings, as does the pricetag, but FT is pretty brutal. Its going to come down to the full readout of our deployment shenanigans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I was comparing the chaos mamouth war and the mourngul.... 320 vs 300 But 22 pv vs 10, same same and soooooo many more attaks for the mamouth. So, is this an error for the mamouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neck-Romantic Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 We pay a premium for fly and ethereal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cyclop Owl Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 50 minutes ago, Neck-Romantic said: We pay a premium for fly and ethereal It’s also an entirely different army, with different mechanics, support troops and “ecological niches” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsharitt Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 17 hours ago, Ahn-ket said: Maybe the bring out smaller boxes like thunder and blood later I hope so, those boxes without all the heroes are the best addons compared to buying even more full starters where you end up with excess heroes. I know for my deathguard army, I need another bloat drone and some more pox walkers, and the Know No Fear box comes with a bloat drone and 10 pox walkers but is the same price as the bloat drone and two six packs of pox walkers. I'm really hoping the there's something similar for AoS 2. I know thunder and blood was really late for AoS, but I can't remember if Know No Fear came out at the same time as Dark Imperium or a few weeks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Indeed, we don't have the full scope of NH yet. It can be buffed and healed. So, maybe a not so bad unit for a superb and beloved miniature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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