Black_Templar_Lad Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Ah I'm so happy for every Sons fan, especially Brodd haha. I am fething hyped! Did not expect next week and with so many other releases too!! I have an unbuilt Mumak and I am DESPERATE to try the head on a Mega-Gargant to make some big Elephant giant. 😂 Been trying to guess the size for weeks doing some CSI level analysis on random size comparison photos. Should be a nice fit hopefully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soolong Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I have the mountain jotnar, it's a nice model. It's not very customisable, has 3 heads and 2 alternative shoulders but i got it for 50 quid. It is massive compared to the old giant, see the picture. I will be getting the new kit as a birthday present but am moving away from GW models because of the new prices and have ordered a 3d resin printer. I have a large disposable income but it gets to a point when you feel like you are being ripped off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan's Cynic Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Matrindur said: I really don't understand what GW is thinking with their pricing, Lumineth and Sons are both way more than even GWs already expensive pricing scheme Especially after the reasonable prices of OBR last year I really expect another price increase at this rate Because they know people will buy it. They'll gripe, groan and moan but most people will still put down the money. Whilst it is possible for GW to overestimate how much people will pay (Fyreslayers are a clear example of them realising this), there's probably enough whales who will buy literally anything to pick up the proverbial profit slack. I gurantee come launch day, we'll have at least a few people replying to this with, "I caved and bought it." "My wife will kill me but I couldn't resist" and "I'm not happy but I wanted this model." I get the feeling GW is sort of 'riding the high' of it's Covid success. Even with most lockdowns eased almost entirely, a lot of people have a better work/life balance now and there's chances places or individuals might be locked down again or put into self-isolation. Last time this happened they did insanely well in a desperate scramble for people to buy anything they could and if I was cynical, I'd guess they're putting these prices so high to properly cash in on that again with winter predicted to be a very, very bad time. Then again the Silent King is 'only' £95 so it could just be completely and utterly arbitrary and they're throwing darts at a price board or something (hello Teclis). Edited October 5, 2020 by Clan's Cynic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minis by Night Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Grim Beasties said: So if the price is true that's about $258 Canadian, I feel like I'm getting priced out here and this really takes the wind out of my hobby. Bad news, it's gonna be 300$Can. Canadian prices are always exactly double the price in pounds. US prices are not as consistent, but it's very likely to be 250$ (US / CAD is about 5/6). Nevermind that, the prices we got are in Euro. It should be a tiny bit more reasonnable then. Edited October 5, 2020 by Minis by Night 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan's Cynic Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Minis by Night said: Bad news, it's gonna be 300$Can. Canadian prices are always exactly double the price in pounds. US prices are not as consistent, but it's very likely to be 250$ (US / CAD is about 5/6). Somebody should tell GW that Britain isn't an empire anymore so there's no need to stick an arbitrary "not in the UK" tax on things. Then again people in the colonies and afar seem more than willing to keep paying it. Edited October 5, 2020 by Clan's Cynic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Somebody should tell GW that Britain isn't an empire anymore so there's no need to stick an arbitrary "not in the UK" tax on things. Then again people in the colonies and afar seem more than willing to keep paying it. Haha that's not what 51% of the people voted for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I'm gonna spoiler this so I dont ruin KingBrodd's enjoyment... Spoiler Do the mega gargant only have one leg position? That weirdly cross legged, right knee pulled in pose? That hurts me more than the price. 😓 Also can we start an #BeMoreLikeKingBrodd campaign? We need more of his positivity in the world. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raviv Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, Minis by Night said: Bad news, it's gonna be 300$Can. Canadian prices are always exactly double the price in pounds. US prices are not as consistent, but it's very likely to be 250$ (US / CAD is about 5/6). Wasn't it 150 Euros? It'll probably be 120-130 GBP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Poor Australian and New Zealand fellows... how much will it be for you? 500 AUD? on a positive Note: If you Are reading this as an Australien, then you haven‘t been killed by some venomous creature! (Alive another day!) If you are reading this as an New Zealander, then you haven‘t been killed by either an angry sheep or a marauding herd of LotR fans 🤓😁 Congratz both of you made it so far! 🤣 Edited October 5, 2020 by JackStreicher 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minis by Night Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Raviv said: Wasn't it 150 Euros? It'll probably be 120-130 GBP. Yup, you're right my bad. I assumed it was pound because leaked prices usually are in £ or $US. I fixed my previous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Kramer said: I'm gonna spoiler this so I dont ruin KingBrodd's enjoyment... Hide contents Do the mega gargant only have one leg position? That weirdly cross legged, right knee pulled in pose? That hurts me more than the price. 😓 Also can we start an #BeMoreLikeKingBrodd campaign? We need more of his positivity in the world. Haha thanks mate!! I just enjoy the hobby and my excitement builds off of others. After the Sons I cannot wait for Broken Realms to see what will be added to all the other Factions so you guys can get as excited as I am!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willange Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, KingBrodd said: Haha thanks mate!! I just enjoy the hobby and my excitement builds off of others. After the Sons I cannot wait for Broken Realms to see what will be added to all the other Factions so you guys can get as excited as I am!! To be fair, beyond the price making me sad, I actually LOVE this release! The merc capabilities of this book are going to be a lot of fun and add some really cool spice to a variety of stale books! For example, Kraken-eater in Idoneth is gonna be rad! The forgotten nightmares will mean that they can't even shoot him properly! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyshadow Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 @KingBrodd, yes I am really looking forward to Broken Realms too! The art sneak peaks alone looks incredible. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Mackay Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said: Somebody should tell GW that Britain isn't an empire anymore so there's no need to stick an arbitrary "not in the UK" tax on things. Then again people in the colonies and afar seem more than willing to keep paying it. People don’t like the ‘reasonable’ answer to why foreign prices are out of whack with the exchange rates, but here it is (note that this is specifically for New Zealand so unsure if it’s the same for the US/Canada) the NZ price consists of the following components: default cost + exchange rate, UK taxes, shipping to Australia, Australian import taxes, Australia export taxes, shipping to New Zealand, New Zealand import taxes, New Zealand sales taxes (GST) everyone always turns around and says “oh but I can order x and it doesn’t cost me anywhere near the gw price” and there’s a few reasons for that: you aren’t paying the business related import/export taxes, different shipping methods. The cost for you to ship one or two kits here from the UK is VERY different to GWs cost to ship full containers of product to Australia and then to New Zealand. the base exchange rate they use is also not the actual exchange rate, but rather an advantageous exchange rate to protect them against any changes in currency values as a New Zealand customer, I hate the excessive amounts we have to pay for everything, and the pricing of Realmlords and Mega Gargants is getting to a point where I’m close to quitting. As it is, the Ogor Mawtribes army I’ve started will probably be my last, and I’ll only be buying ‘Specialist Games’ like Bloodbowl and Necromunda going forward, sure they might up the cost of those too but at least I only have to buy one or two kits to make a Bloodbowl/Necromunda team rather than $1000+ every time I want to do a new army 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarion Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) I'm so tired of people complaining out price hike. So I know that everyone feels angsty over the perceived price of Lumineth and now Sons of Behamat. With that in mind, I thought it would be fun to go through the Warscroll builder, and the Games workshop site in USD and calculate what some standard 2000point lists would cost to build for various factions. Where possible I avoided endless spells except to pad points at the end of a list. I avoided choosing the most price inefficient choice to try and inflate army costs/price. For most I choose what I thought looked like fun lists, and for factions with terrain, I have included it. I have very little experience building chaos armies, so I mostly focused on Order and Destruction armies I play regularly. Finally pricing for this was through the GW webstore, so does not include what you might find from FLGS discounts, but since those discounts would be shared for each faction, I don't think that truly impacts this list. From cheapest to most expensive: Ogor Mawtribes: 524USD with terrain Ossiarch Bonereapers: 632USD with terrain Gloomspite Gitz: 678USD with terrain Kharadron Overlord: 719USD Sons of Behamat: 775USD Daughters of Khaine: 781USD Idoneth Deepkin: 783USD (with 2 Shipwrecks) Sylvaneth: 793USD (with 3 wyldwoods) Lumineth Realm-Lords: 793USD Lists: Ogor Mawtribes: Tyrant, Butcher, Firebelly, (2) Frost sabers, (4) leadbelchers, (8) ironguts, (12) Ogor Gluttons, (4) Mournfang Pack, (2) Iron Blaster Ossiarch Bonereapers: Liege-Kavalos, Mortisan Boneshaper, Motisan Soulmason, (10) Kavalos Deathriders, (50) Mortek Guard, (3) Necropolis Stalkers, (1) Gothizzar Harvester, (1) Mortek Crawler Gloomspite Gitz: (1)Loonboss, (1) Loonbos on giant cave squig, (1) Fungoid cave Shaman, (1) Madcap Shaman, (1) Gobbapalooza, (20) Shootas, (60) Stabbas, (12) Squig Herd, (10) Boingrot Bounders, (10) Loonsmasha Fanatics, (3) Rockgut Troggoths, (1) dankhold Troggoth, (1) malevolent moon Kharadron Overlords: (1) Arkanaut Admiral, (1) Aether-Khemist, (1) Aetheric Navigator, (30) Arkanaut Company, (3) Endrinriggers, (15) Grundstok Thunderers, (2) Grundstock Gunhaulers, (1) Arkanaut Frigate, (1) Arkanaut Ironclad) Daughters of Khaine: (1) Hag Queen on Cauldron of Blood, (1) Slaughter Queen, (1) Morathi High Oracle of Khaine, (10) Blood Sisters, (5) Blood Stalkers, (5) Khinerai Heartrenders, (30) Witch Aelves, (30) Sisters of Slaughter Idoneth Deepkin: (1) Akhelian King, (1) Eidolon Aspect of the Sea, (1) Tidecaster, (1) Soulscryer, (20) Namarti Thralls, (10) Namarti reavers, (6) Ishlean Guard, (3) Morsaar Guard, (1) Akhelian Leviadon Sylvaneth: (1) Spirit of Durthu, (1) Arch Revenant, (1) Branchwych, (1) Drycha Haemadreth, (50) Dryads, (10) tree Revenants, (3) Kurnoth Hunters, (2) Treelords Lumineth Realm Lords: (1) Light of Eltharion, (1) Scinari Cathallar, (1) Alarith Stonmage, (15) Alarith Stoneguard, (20) Wardens, (20) Sentinels, (10) Dawnriders, (1) Alarith Spirit of the Mountain, (1) Rune of Petrification Sons of Behamat: 3 Mega Gargants, 3 aleguzzlers (This is based on leaked pricing in USD of mega gargants 195USD, a 2 set of aleguzzlers now going 125USD and a single still being 65USD) I don't think the lists particularly matter, but these are all lists I either have played or played against, or plan to collect, but everyone's lists are different so it shouldn't matter. The point isnt to say "well this list sucks, or is not very efficient" My point with these test 2000 pt armies is just that these are pretty standard collections of miniatures for various factions adding up to a 2k list. These are not meant to be tournament competitive, just the kind of fun, thematic armies that most people tend to collect, to paint and play. Obviously the LRL are tied with Sylvaneth at the high end of this spectrum, but realistically, they are not too far away from the rest of these armies, Nor are the Sons of Behamat. I encourage other people to do this for themselves. Looking at individual pricing can feel discouraging, but looking at army collections as a whole, the LRL and SoB seem just fine. Feel free to add to this list, as I think this type of cost comparison will help calm some of our "sky is falling" members. _________ TLDR: Even if kit prices look high, the cost a a 2000 point army is pretty similar across the board for various factions. Edited October 6, 2020 by Athrawes 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramig Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Athrawes said: I'm so tired of people complaining out price hike. So I know that everyone feels angsty over the perceived price of Lumineth and now Sons of Behamat. With that in mind, I thought it would be fun to go through the Warscroll builder, and the Games workshop site in USD and calculate what some standard 2000point lists would cost to build for various factions. Where possible I avoided endless spells except to pad points at the end of a list. I avoided choosing the most price inefficient choice to try and inflate army costs/price. For most I choose what I thought looked like fun lists, and for factions with terrain, I have included it. I have very little experience building chaos armies, so I mostly focused on Order and Destruction armies I play regularly. Finally pricing for this was through the GW webstore, so does not include what you might find from FLGS discounts, but since those discounts would be shared for each faction, I don't think that truly impacts this list. From cheapest to most expensive: Ogor Mawtribes: 524USD with terrain Ossiarch Bonereapers: 632USD with terrain Gloomspite Gitz: 678USD with terrain Kharadron Overlord: 719USD Sons of Behamat: 775USD Daughters of Khaine: 781USD Idoneth Deepkin: 783USD (with 2 Shipwrecks) Sylvaneth: 793USD (with 3 wyldwoods) Lumineth Realm-Lords: 793USD Lists: Ogor Mawtribes: Tyrant, Butcher, Firebelly, (2) Frost sabers, (4) leadbelchers, (8) ironguts, (12) Ogor Gluttons, (4) Mournfang Pack, (2) Iron Blaster Ossiarch Bonereapers: Liege-Kavalos, Mortisan Boneshaper, Motisan Soulmason, (10) Kavalos Deathriders, (50) Mortek Guard, (3) Necropolis Stalkers, (1) Gothizzar Harvester, (1) Mortek Crawler Gloomspite Gitz: (1)Loonboss, (1) Loonbos on giant cave squig, (1) Fungoid cave Shaman, (1) Madcap Shaman, (1) Gobbapalooza, (20) Shootas, (60) Stabbas, (12) Squig Herd, (10) Boingrot Bounders, (10) Loonsmasha Fanatics, (3) Rockgut Troggoths, (1) dankhold Troggoth, (1) malevolent moon Kharadron Overlords: (1) Arkanaut Admiral, (1) Aether-Khemist, (1) Aetheric Navigator, (30) Arkanaut Company, (3) Endrinriggers, (15) Grundstok Thunderers, (2) Grundstock Gunhaulers, (1) Arkanaut Frigate, (1) Arkanaut Ironclad) Daughters of Khaine: (1) Hag Queen on Cauldron of Blood, (1) Slaughter Queen, (1) Morathi High Oracle of Khaine, (10) Blood Sisters, (5) Blood Stalkers, (5) Khinerai Heartrenders, (30) Witch Aelves, (30) Sisters of Slaughter Idoneth Deepkin: (1) Akhelian King, (1) Eidolon Aspect of the Sea, (1) Tidecaster, (1) Soulscryer, (20) Namarti Thralls, (10) Namarti reavers, (6) Ishlean Guard, (3) Morsaar Guard, (1) Akhelian Leviadon Sylvaneth: (1) Spirit of Durthu, (1) Arch Revenant, (1) Branchwych, (1) Drycha Haemadreth, (50) Dryads, (10) tree Revenants, (3) Kurnoth Hunters, (2) Treelords Lumineth Realm Lords: (1) Light of Eltharion, (1) Scinari Cathallar, (1) Alarith Stonmage, (15) Alarith Stoneguard, (20) Wardens, (20) Sentinels, (10) Dawnriders, (1) Alarith Spirit of the Mountain, (1) Rune of Petrification Sons of Behamat: 3 Mega Gargants, 3 aleguzzlers (This is based on leaked pricing in USD of mega gargants 195USD, a 2 set of aleguzzlers now going 125USD and a single still being 65USD) I don't think the lists particularly matter, but these are all lists I either have played or played against, or plan to collect, but everyone's lists are different so it shouldn't matter. The point isnt to say "well this list sucks, or is not very efficient" My point with these test 2000 pt armies is just that these are pretty standard collections of miniatures for various factions adding up to a 2k list. These are not meant to be tournament competitive, just the kind of fun, thematic armies that most people tend to collect, to paint and play. Obviously the LRL are tied with Sylvaneth at the high end of this spectrum, but realistically, they are not too far away from the rest of these armies, Nor are the Sons of Behamat. I encourage other people to do this for themselves. Looking at individual pricing can feel discouraging, but looking at army collections as a whole, the LRL and SoB seem just fine. Feel free to add to this list, as I think this type of cost comparison will help calm some of our "sky is falling" members. _________ TLDR: Even if kit prices look high, the cost a a 2000 point army is pretty similar across the board for various factions. Did you consider start collecting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarion Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, Kramig said: Did you consider start collecting? Nope, no start collecting for SoB or LRL yet so their prices would be naturally inflated in comparison if included in this price comparison. I went off the assumption that people would rather build lists around what they want to use, not based off of what is least expensive. Obviously if you only build your army around start collecting sets, it will be cheaper than a new army without any discounts, so that premise seems boring to consider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramig Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) However there are armies, like sylvaneth and Kharadron, where you play everything you find in start collecting (not only for price saving, but because you need that units) , even twice. So I don't think your assumption is realistic for all those armies Edited October 6, 2020 by Kramig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarion Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Cool, so factoring in start collecting sets to the lists I made, knocks about 150USD off of sylvaneth and KO knocks off about 100USd, that brings both 2000 point lists down to 640 and 620 respectively. How does that alter my assumptions? Still seems pretty middle of the pack for army cost. Down the road I wouldn't be surprised to see LRL or SOB discount bundles or start collecting sets that knock off 100USd from the full list price which would bring them close to par with both those start collection focused armies you mention. But for right now, without those Start collecting sets or discounts available, both LRL and SoB army costs look to be pretty close to the costs of other armies and that's the only fair comparison anyone can make. Arguing "this brand new army costs more than old armies which have cost saving discounts to sell old stock!" is frankly silly, discounts come with time. You can obviously build cheap armies if you build around start collecting, or only buy the most points/cost efficient units. But even a cursory glance at most many 2000 point lists show they cost somewhere around 700USD plus of minus 100USd for vagaries of list building. having so many armies cost within 10-15% of each other shows that broadly speaking any full army will cost the about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrindur Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Athrawes said: Cool, so factoring in start collecting sets to the lists I made, knocks about 150USD off of sylvaneth and KO knocks off about 100USd, that brings both 2000 point lists down to 640 and 620 respectively. How does that alter my assumptions? Still seems pretty middle of the pack for army cost. Down the road I wouldn't be surprised to see LRL or SOB discount bundles or start collecting sets that knock off 100USd from the full list price which would bring them close to par with both those start collection focused armies you mention. But for right now, without those Start collecting sets or discounts available, both LRL and SoB army costs look to be pretty close to the costs of other armies and that's the only fair comparison anyone can make. Arguing "this brand new army costs more than old armies which have cost saving discounts to sell old stock!" is frankly silly, discounts come with time. You can obviously build cheap armies if you build around start collecting, or only buy the most points/cost efficient units. But even a cursory glance at most many 2000 point lists show they cost somewhere around 700USD plus of minus 100USd for vagaries of list building. having so many armies cost within 10-15% of each other shows that broadly speaking any full army will cost the about the same. I think the problem is that people aren't rational enough to just say "Sure both armies cost the same in the end so it doesn't matter" Most will see that you can get 6 models for SoB or 68 for example with OBR for 150$ less or 126 with Gloomspite for 100$ less. Its just a way different feeling if you need to pay 195$ for a single model even if it is as big and customizable as they are when you could get way more for your money in different armies even if they both cost the same in the end Edited October 6, 2020 by Matrindur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarmofseals Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, Athrawes said: Nope, no start collecting for SoB or LRL yet so their prices would be naturally inflated in comparison if included in this price comparison. I went off the assumption that people would rather build lists around what they want to use, not based off of what is least expensive. Obviously if you only build your army around start collecting sets, it will be cheaper than a new army without any discounts, so that premise seems boring to consider. Fair enough, but it's really not reasonable to ignore SC prices when they happen to fit into the lists that you are already providing. Many factions have great SC kits that you would buy even if you aren't explicitly building around them. The cost of entry to many current armies is a lot lower than it is to SoB or LRL. That might change if LRL gets a SC kit, but even then it'll be pretty high on the price spectrum. SoB can't really have a SC kit at the current pricing level. Some more examples: Ironjawz: Megaboss on Maw Krusha, 2xWarchanter, Weirdnob Shaman, 6 Gore Gruntas, 30 Ardboys, 10 Brutes: $503 Bonesplitterz: Maniak Weirdnob, 3x Wardokk, 50 Arrowboys, 30 Savage Orruks, 10 Savage Boarboy Maniaks, FW Rogue Idol: $453.75 (with no SC set no less!) I'll not take the time to make lists now, but I know you can put together MANY Seraphon, Legions of Nagash, and FEC lists for under $500. Personally I think it's kinda wild that even $500 (not including supplies, paint, basing materials etc.) is the point of entry for a single functional list. $800 is really pushing it. It's not a 10-15% increase at that point, it's 60%. The pricing of even the cheapest GW armies is high relative to the rest of the industry. Warhammer has a reputation for being a difficult hobby to get into for many reasons but price is a big factor. Pushing that 60% higher seems to me to be of questionable health for the hobby. While some folks are certainly solitary in their enjoyment of the hobby, many rely on having opponents to play against, people to paint with, etc. Without new people drawn into the hobby it will slowly die. Are you going to drop $800 on a new army or are you going to buy a new TV? A next gen console and several games? A 3d printer and tons of files/material? A functional gaming PC? Like 4 huge-box miniature focused board games? A drum set or decent quality guitar setup? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Matrindur said: 25 minutes ago, Athrawes said: I think the problem is that people aren't rational enough to just say "Sure both armies cost the same in the end so it doesn't matter" Most ppl won‘t care about the army‘s price since they wanted one Model, not the whole army. Trying to justify prices is the wrong way to go, there is no justification, just corporate greed. @swarmofseals well spoken Edited October 6, 2020 by JackStreicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuminethMage Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Joseph Mackay said: People don’t like the ‘reasonable’ answer to why foreign prices are out of whack with the exchange rates, but here it is (note that this is specifically for New Zealand so unsure if it’s the same for the US/Canada) the NZ price consists of the following components: default cost + exchange rate, UK taxes, shipping to Australia, Australian import taxes, Australia export taxes, shipping to New Zealand, New Zealand import taxes, New Zealand sales taxes (GST) everyone always turns around and says “oh but I can order x and it doesn’t cost me anywhere near the gw price” and there’s a few reasons for that: you aren’t paying the business related import/export taxes, different shipping methods. The cost for you to ship one or two kits here from the UK is VERY different to GWs cost to ship full containers of product to Australia and then to New Zealand. the base exchange rate they use is also not the actual exchange rate, but rather an advantageous exchange rate to protect them against any changes in currency values as a New Zealand customer, I hate the excessive amounts we have to pay for everything, and the pricing of Realmlords and Mega Gargants is getting to a point where I’m close to quitting. As it is, the Ogor Mawtribes army I’ve started will probably be my last, and I’ll only be buying ‘Specialist Games’ like Bloodbowl and Necromunda going forward, sure they might up the cost of those too but at least I only have to buy one or two kits to make a Bloodbowl/Necromunda team rather than $1000+ every time I want to do a new army I don't know how GW ships its products to New Zealand. That said, shipping in bulk is generally cheaper per item than ordering a small amount, and shipping costs shouldn't affect prices that much. If the end destination is New Zealand, then GW shouldn't have to pay any import and export taxes in Australia. At least that's how it works in most countries. There are bonded options just for such transshipments. Of course, shipping still adds on the price, but the import tax/duty in New Zealand is likely zero or close to zero (like below 5%). There aren't high duties in most developed countries for most consumer goods. Sales tax plays are role, but by and large only the difference between the UK and New Zealand should count in that respect (and New Zealand's is lower if I'm not mistaken). There shouldn't be any additional UK taxes which affect prices in New Zealand. I would be really surprised if the UK levels export taxes on consumer goods produced in the UK. Of course, I don't know the actual situation - New Zealand could have a "luxury goods" duty/tax on plastic toys or something like that, but that's usually not the case. If there is a big difference in pricing, besides for articles like alcohol and tobacco - shipping and duty is often not the actual reason. How they calculate risks caused by fluctuating exchange rates, and if that adds a lot to the price for customers in New Zealand is up to GW. There can be all kind of valid reasons why prices have to be objectively higher in New Zealand besides that though. But it could also be GW just charges more because it's a smaller market with less competition and they can charge more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmaster Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) Keep in mind that half of the SoB army consists of (still great but) very old models. At least those could have gotten a substantial discount. Then mega-Gargants somewhere between, say, Nagash or Archaon (maybe 110€) and I think no one would complain. That’s what I expected, actually. But we got over 40% more. Edited October 6, 2020 by Beastmaster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarion Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, swarmofseals said: Personally I think it's kinda wild that even $500 (not including supplies, paint, basing materials etc.) is the point of entry for a single functional list. $800 is really pushing it. It's not a 10-15% increase at that point, it's 60%. The pricing of even the cheapest GW armies is high relative to the rest of the industry. Warhammer has a reputation for being a difficult hobby to get into for many reasons but price is a big factor. Pushing that 60% higher seems to me to be of questionable health for the hobby. While some folks are certainly solitary in their enjoyment of the hobby, many rely on having opponents to play against, people to paint with, etc. Without new people drawn into the hobby it will slowly die. Are you going to drop $800 on a new army or are you going to buy a new TV? A next gen console and several games? A 3d printer and tons of files/material? A functional gaming PC? Like 4 huge-box miniature focused board games? A drum set or decent quality guitar setup? Calling a 2000 point army and its high cost a point of entry is crazy mate. When I got into warhammer point of entry was a box of infantry, a hero and a rulebook, and the same for my pals. Even now, I doubt a majority of people new to the hobby gets in and immediately plans a 2000 point list to build towards. Most likely they buy a starter set. In fact, a large segment of the community (myself included) enjoy building to 1000 points or less to try things out and only then expanding if we enjoy it. People who are willing to drop $800 on a new thing in one go are not the kind people who will be pinching pennies or be priced out of warhammer altogether so the point seems moot. But even assuming your case of 800 as a point of entry is accurate (it isn't, look at my comparisons and you'll see a full 2000 point army costs around $700) That's not so dissimilar from other leisure hobbies like warhammer. I tend to build 1 x 2k list a year, and yeah it costs be around 1000USD factoring in paint and glue and the like, while my brother in law golfs, a club membership and clothes/fees/equipment costs him 2500 a year. My father fixes old cars as his hobby which costs his a few 1000 as well each year or more. Buying a new video game system and TV, plus 3 or 4 games to last the year costs 1kUSD easy. MY best friend spends 1000USD easily to build his new MtG deck each year. Every hobby you listed costs similar to or more than most warhammer armies, so I'm confused what point your trying to make. Internally, warhammer armies cost about the same. Externally, the warhammer hobby isn't so dissimilar in cost to other leisure hobbies. And the point of entry cost for warhammer is way cheaper than the point of entry cost of any of these pass times. Of course there are cheaper hobbies, bird watching and stamp collecting a cool. But compared to many hobbies warhammer is priced just fine for what I get out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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