novakai Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 minutes ago, Grunbag said: didn’t they mentioned that BoC and BS will have their index separately from the other factions ? They said downloadable battletome that useable until next year but nothing else was stated. but I wouldn’t that’s any form of official support, just bare minimum rules before they are completely gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 6 minutes ago, Jagged Red Lines said: Don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but the eshin keyword in the skreech warscroll makes me hopeful that SG warhound was wrong about gutter/night runners getting yeeted to legends. It may honestly be a Warcry release, they tend to like having a related warband come out near a big army release like Wildcorp hunters for cities or royal beastflayer for FEC. and gutter runner would work as a warcry warband given its specialist unit nature. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoJon Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 9 minutes ago, novakai said: It may honestly be a Warcry release, they tend to like having a related warband come out near a big army release like Wildcorp hunters for cities or royal beastflayer for FEC. and gutter runner would work as a warcry warband given its specialist unit nature. Im hoping so. If they next Warcry season is set in the Cities it would be great to see Gutter Runners vs. Flagellants/Militia 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanolMuffins Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 With this refresh being skryre and moulder focused by the looks of it, I would not be surprised to see many of the subsequent releases for skaven to be eshin and pestilens focused so they can get some love too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrozatarim Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Skaven do have quite a large range due to the four great clans split, and plague monks already have the relatively modern war machine kits, so yeah, splitting a revamp into multiple waves makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 12 minutes ago, EthanolMuffins said: With this refresh being skryre and moulder focused by the looks of it, I would not be surprised to see many of the subsequent releases for skaven to be eshin and pestilens focused so they can get some love too If I had to speculate: -Eshin warband for Warcry 2024-2025 -Separate foot plague priest for Skaven BT on 5th ed -Pestilens warband on 2028-2029 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperionxvii Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Dragon-knight77 said: good Yndrasta should take notes. She looks absolutely fantastic with that helm on Tech vs Primal also was this image shown yet? I don’t care what people are saying, looking at this art i just feel that mordheim is coming to aos. Yes, yes! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Personally, I wouldn't lose sleep if Pestilens was moved to lesser, narrative role. I don't think it's a Clan that is principal to the identity of the Skaven. Skryre, Moulder, and Eshin more clearly define Skaven society and behavior. Pestilens was always the weird offshoot sub-faction obsessed with disease. Nurgle better fills their role and do we really need two factions dabbling in plague and disease? I really don't care either way, but I just don't think Pestilens is a necessary aspect of the game itself. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrozatarim Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Well, I'm officially feeling hype for the Skaven now. Picked up a test model to try out a colour scheme, as I need to figure out a Contrast-heavy and quick approach rather than my usual slow style if I'm going to tackle 40 Clanrats for the first time in decades... ...but I can't decide whether to go for FIRE RATS of AQSHY, or SEA RATS of GHYRAN! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanolMuffins Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 39 minutes ago, Garrac said: If I had to speculate: -Eshin warband for Warcry 2024-2025 -Separate foot plague priest for Skaven BT on 5th ed -Pestilens warband on 2028-2029 That sounds like it would be accurate and I hope its the case Maybe we get another underworld skaven bit too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 14 minutes ago, EthanolMuffins said: That sounds like it would be accurate and I hope its the case Maybe we get another underworld skaven bit too? Dunno about Underworlds, it still remains to bee seen if that game will survive AoS 4th edition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 (edited) An Skaven Eshin Spearhead box would be an auto-buy for me. Ninja-rats for a fast-phased game? That scream fun Edited May 22 by Beliman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Jagged Red Lines said: Afaik underworlds warbands are going to legends. Which leaves just the deathmaster and the deceiver. Not all of them go to Legends. Only the oldest ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 5 hours ago, JackStreicher said: I can't believe that Skaven-Tech is actually high risk High reward now FINALLY. Skreech Verminking seems cool! (was @Skreech Verminking first or is his name inspired by that charakter?) Rat Ogres seem a little broken tbh. Way too many quality attacks per model and an easy self-buff - They can have 7 attacks per Model, like what? Their shooting is bonkers as well it's 6d6 shots with rend 2 and shooting in melee. Let's wait for their points. My gut tells me that these might be game breaking since I doubt they will be adequately pointed. All in all very cool. I am looking forward to it! Neither. I am the Verminking!! yes-yes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 3 hours ago, Grunbag said: didn’t they mentioned that BoC and BS will have their index separately from the other factions ? Beasts, Bs and wizardcasts are all receiving digital battletomes with NES lore and rules for 4th edition. They will be supported for the entire edition with rule snd points balances however from summer 2025 they will go to legends which basically means you can't use them in GW official events. I'll be very surprised if they don't have spearhead rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theduke Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 5 hours ago, JackStreicher said: I can't believe that Skaven-Tech is actually high risk High reward now FINALLY. Skreech Verminking seems cool! (was @Skreech Verminking first or is his name inspired by that charakter?) Rat Ogres seem a little broken tbh. Way too many quality attacks per model and an easy self-buff - They can have 7 attacks per Model, like what? Their shooting is bonkers as well it's 6d6 shots with rend 2 and shooting in melee. Let's wait for their points. My gut tells me that these might be game breaking since I doubt they will be adequately pointed. All in all very cool. I am looking forward to it! It's only 1 in 3 gets the shooting attack so only 2d6 unless the unit is reinforced which Im not sure we can? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 4 minutes ago, Ogregut said: Beasts, Bs and wizardcasts are all receiving digital battletomes with NES lore and rules for 4th edition. They will be supported for the entire edition with rule snd points balances however from summer 2025 they will go to legends which basically means you can't use them in GW official events. I'll be very surprised if they don't have spearhead rules. They won't. They are different games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandlemad Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Here's hoping they develop Skreech Verminking's background a bit in this edition. Cool concept but he doesn't have much character to speak of. Kind of unfortunate that he's pushed the council of 13 into the shadows a bit too. (sorry @Skreech Verminking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 20 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: They won't. They are different games. Also there only 25 spearhead armies so the number would not add up for them to get spearhead rules. like getting a digital rules does not mean they are going to be officially supported for one more year. And base on past example this is not how GW normally operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzaprez Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Mutton said: Personally, I wouldn't lose sleep if Pestilens was moved to lesser, narrative role. I don't think it's a Clan that is principal to the identity of the Skaven. Skryre, Moulder, and Eshin more clearly define Skaven society and behavior. Pestilens was always the weird offshoot sub-faction obsessed with disease. Nurgle better fills their role and do we really need two factions dabbling in plague and disease? I really don't care either way, but I just don't think Pestilens is a necessary aspect of the game itself. IF they decided to axe Pestilens as a skaven thing, I'd hope to see equivalent units added to Nurgle proper. more horde-focused Monks with a Monk Leader that Pestilens players could 1:1 use their rats for would be alright but I guess the part of Pestilens I've liked most in AoS (pushing them even closer to Nurgle, overlapping some keywords to encourage cross-play) has been out of style for a minute now. For the skaven faction identity, I think Mad Science, Frankensteins, Rat Hordes, and "nightmare religions" all fit into what I personally think of as the "skaven faction identity" and I think having both pestilens and Grey Seers as competing factions is a nice mirror to the Skyre/Moulder competition thematically. Also "rats=plague" pairs nice with "old world" views on that sort of thing, which is fun. I personally like when GW encourages allies and multi-army factions: I think Pestilens being the "plague rats the healthy ones avoid" to the point where they can call on Nurgle allies and vice/versa is thematically kind of cool. I'd prefer to see them fully scoot into Nurgle if they were hit with a cut; it could be a way to emphasize that GHR=Nurgle as a system of belief is likely problematic for Nurgle as an independent entity. In fact, it could be cool to find new avenues to explore the way the GHR could/will undermine the other Chaos Gods 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 13 minutes ago, Pizzaprez said: IF they decided to axe Pestilens as a skaven thing, I'd hope to see equivalent units added to Nurgle proper. more horde-focused Monks with a Monk Leader that Pestilens players could 1:1 use their rats for would be alright but I guess the part of Pestilens I've liked most in AoS (pushing them even closer to Nurgle, overlapping some keywords to encourage cross-play) has been out of style for a minute now. For the skaven faction identity, I think Mad Science, Frankensteins, Rat Hordes, and "nightmare religions" all fit into what I personally think of as the "skaven faction identity" and I think having both pestilens and Grey Seers as competing factions is a nice mirror to the Skyre/Moulder competition thematically. Also "rats=plague" pairs nice with "old world" views on that sort of thing, which is fun. I personally like when GW encourages allies and multi-army factions: I think Pestilens being the "plague rats the healthy ones avoid" to the point where they can call on Nurgle allies and vice/versa is thematically kind of cool. I'd prefer to see them fully scoot into Nurgle if they were hit with a cut; it could be a way to emphasize that GHR=Nurgle as a system of belief is likely problematic for Nurgle as an independent entity. In fact, it could be cool to find new avenues to explore the way the GHR could/will undermine the other Chaos Gods given that Skreech verminking has the pestilens keyword I think we can assume that won't be the case right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmorley21 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Garrac said: Dunno about Underworlds, it still remains to bee seen if that game will survive AoS 4th edition They’ve got official GW events for it for the rest of the calendar year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morglum StormBasha Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 So is our rough assumption that preorder windows over next few weeks are as follows ? 25 May abraxia preorder 1 June dwarfs? 8 June killteam and warcry 15 June 40K gsc and sisters 21 June aos4 28 June aos4 4 july heresy mech ? 11 July epic Tallarn 18 July necromunda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 13 minutes ago, Morglum StormBasha said: So is our rough assumption that preorder windows over next few weeks are as follows ? 25 May abraxia preorder 1 June dwarfs? 8 June killteam and warcry 15 June 40K gsc and sisters 21 June aos4 28 June aos4 4 july heresy mech ? 11 July epic Tallarn 18 July necromunda? Warehouse Update - Warhammer Community (warhammer-community.com) No preorders between the 27th and 3rd of June. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morglum StormBasha Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Ah yes I’d forgotten that warehouse was closing ! so more like 25 May abraxia preorder 1 June Warehouse closed 8 June dwarven kingdoms 15 June kill team and warcry 21 June aos4 28 June aos4 4 july genesetealers and sister 11 July epic Tallarn 18 July necromunda? 25 July heresy mech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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