The Rumour Thread

[Ejecutor]

6 minutes ago, Gitzdee said:

I dont think a different look has to mean they need their own tome though. Rather save that space for something new like Drogrukh or Frazzlegitz (cause gitz tome is getting a little to many subfactions).

In fact, if I would have to choose one to include in Warclans with IJ, between KB and Frazzlegitz I would go for the latest. It reminds me more of the classic O&G aesthetic.

[Swamp Trogg]

11 minutes ago, Gitzdee said:

I dont think a different look has to mean they need their own tome though. Rather save that space for something new like Drogrukh or Frazzlegitz (cause gitz tome is getting a little to many subfactions).

Yeah, and that's why I'd like pointy ears to be souped in a single book 😁

 

On a more serious note, Kruleboyz and Ironjaws only similarity is they they both are Orruks. Like Steelhelms and Darkoath are both human. 

 

Behind that, you have lanky sneaky Orruks, with barbed weapons, cross bows and swampy elements on their bases, versus Brutish and hulking green skins with axes and masses, riding gigantic boars. 

 

Gloomspite might be diverse in looks, but they have visual elements that give them some coherency, like shrooms on their bases, or common cave theme. 

 

Ironjaws and kruleboyz don't have that. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 2 by Swamp Trogg

[Gitzdee]

Seems like i have a different opinion. I dont see them any different than Moonclan and Spiderfang or Beastclaw and Gutbusters.

[Ejecutor]

4 minutes ago, Gitzdee said:

Seems like i have a different opinion. I dont see them any different than Moonclan and Spiderfang or Beastclaw and Gutbusters.

 Let's start now the talk about why Beastclaw and Gutbusters should have their own tome as well... 😅 

[Nezzhil]

7 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

 Let's start now the talk about why Beastclaw and Gutbusters should have their own tome as well... 😅 

It is impossible to have own tomes for everyone. If they start splitting tomes is because they are not thinking to make new factions.

40k is merging factions because they are adding a lot of content, I don't want to return to the WHFB era.

[Swamp Trogg]

11 minutes ago, Gitzdee said:

Seems like i have a different opinion. I dont see them any different than Moonclan and Spiderfang or Beastclaw and Gutbusters.

I mean, beast claws are litteraly regular Ogors on big beasties so...

We also have to remember that this army was thought as an unified one at its inception. 

And for moonclan and spider fang, while I partially agree with you, at least they've got the snifflers that visually unify them, as well as multiple little spiders (like the one in the dank hold kit). 

 

Kruleboyz and Ironjaws shares nothing like that. 

[novakai]

I mean spiderfang could be shoehorned into GSG to have a home but may still get Bonesplitterz eventually so they may not be a good answer going forward.

Ogors are in also a similar situation as we not sure how they will look during this edition

[Rachmani]

Ogors at least have the chance to get overhauled. 
I‘m not saying we shouldn’t keep stuff together. I‘m saying that in the case of IJs and Kruleboys it was done so poorly, that I‘d rather they split up again.

Edited June 2 by Rachmani

[DinoJon]

13 minutes ago, Rachmani said:

Ogors at least have the chance to get overhauled. 
I‘m not saying we shouldn’t keep stuff together. I‘m saying that in the case of IJs and Kruleboys it was done so poorly, that I‘d rather they split up again.

I'm hoping for a big overhaul for Ogors. I think there is a lot of visual elements already established to make both the Gut Buster and the Beastclaw sides feel unified but I would like the "warriors of the frozen tundras" to be pushed more into the Gut Busters side for the new models. 

[Mcm6495]

In case in this fourth edition the Ogors get a great content update, what are the chances of getting a named character.

[DinoJon]

1 minute ago, Mcm6495 said:

In case in this fourth edition the Ogors get a great content update, what are the chances of getting a named character.

I think pretty good! Pretty much all factions getting big updates have gotten a character at least. 

[Ejecutor]

1 hour ago, Nezzhil said:

It is impossible to have own tomes for everyone. If they start splitting tomes is because they are not thinking to make new factions.

40k is merging factions because they are adding a lot of content, I don't want to return to the WHFB era.

I was just joking. Also, we do not know if those themes will be continued for the Ogors...

[Ejecutor]

50 minutes ago, Mcm6495 said:

In case in this fourth edition the Ogors get a great content update, what are the chances of getting a named character.

Is there a prominent Ogor in the lore?

[Mutton]

Tell you what, after reading their rules preview there better be a big 4th ed Ogre refresh on the way.

[Nezzhil]

56 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

I was just joking. Also, we do not know if those themes will be continued for the Ogors...

The themes are clear and even have more Lore than before in the faction focus.

- Beast Riders nomads running with the Everwinter curse

- Gulping God fanatics, terraforming the Realms on a hungering Beast using rituals

[Arzalyn]

2 hours ago, Ejecutor said:

Is there a prominent Ogor in the lore?

They will probably great a big tyrant that is unifying the gutbusters and beastclaws or something like that if there isn't. Most of the new named heroes we got with last releases were all new characters as far as I remember.

[sandlemad]

1 hour ago, Ejecutor said:

Is there a prominent Ogor in the lore?

There's only two really:

• Glob Glittermaw, overtyrant of the Meatfist. Fantastically wealthy, gold teeth, closer in size to a gargant.
• Braggoth Varduk, frost king of the Svard alfrostun. Frozen in ice back in the age of myth, woke up post-Sigmar, liberated his people from Meatfist dominance.

The main point is that one is gutbuster, the other beastclaw, and they have a history of conflict. They have a temporary truce as of the most recent battletome but they really hate each other.

Of the two, Braggoth has the more background so I could see him featuring as something new, but then GW might just make a completely new character anyway.

[novakai]

And then there FIREBELLIES, just stay alive for one more edition 

[Sahrial]

Can I just chime in with how much I really appreciate how everyone wants Ogors to get some love. I’ve rarely seen so much unity in a game fandom.

it’s like GW went: “hey here’s some stuff! Talk about it!” On Friday and everyone has instead been “no we’re still worried about the big guys and you better treat them right.”

[Neverchosen]

I feel like we are going to get a refresh of the Gutbusters and Gnoblars with the Beastclaw raiders remaining largely untouched other than resins. I love my Ogors and thus I might be a little blinded in my assement of which models will be the focus of the update.

Here is my guess for releases for a Mawtribes refresh:
Butcher, Resin character so it will be updated.
Slaughtermaster, Same as the butcher and maybe even share a kit
Gluttons, basic troops desperately in need of an update.
Leadbelchers, I still like these models but they are showing their age
Gnoblars, love these little folk and between blood bowl and underworlds it is clear GW does too.
Frostsabres, I imagine like the gorgers these will be taken in a new unit size.
Maneaters, I think this would be such a great theme for warcry but I also feel like they are so iconic that they are garunteed to make a return themed on the realms.

Sticking around for 4th:
Tyrant, New model looks great.
Gorgers, Very new models that look amazing!
Bloodpelt Hunter: Another new model that looks pretty great.
Mawpit: Released alongside Gorgers and looks awesome. 
Ironblaster/Scrap Launcher, This is a possibility for update but it is a complex kit that still looks good and as a dual kit the might want to leave it for now.
Mournfang Riders, I can imagine these getting an update but like the Ironblaster they still look good and are impressive kits but lack dynamism in terms of posing. If a plastic Beastclaw kit is to be updated I feel confident these will get done first and foremost.  
Stonehorn/Thundertusk, Still very impressive centrepieces with many options, I can see an update one day but likely in 5th or 6th edition.
Ironguts, I actually like the models but it is becoming almost a meme where the heavy armoured elite infantry get skipped over on the first refresh. I think that these will join Grave Guard and Saurus Guard in looking great... prior to the refersh showing how aged they really are.

Uncertain Futures:
Firebelly, I don't see this model jumping into plastic in fourth edition but making it into fifth or sixth with a Firebelly troop choice. In other words they will be supported in lore and as Butcher proxies and then get updated when at a later point as GW revisit the concept in the future.
Icefall Yhetees, I can imagine that GW want to have Gorgers fill the niche of Yhetees as the lightly armoured vicious options. Although, I hope I am wrong cause I will grab two boxes immediately.
Icebrow Hunters: I feel like Bloodpelt Hunter has kind of replaced their niche but it might be cool if they release one in a unit of Mournfang.
Great Mawpot: It will be interesting to see if GW will support two faction terrain pieces at once but as the older sculpt I feel like it is the less likely to return.
 

[Baron Klatz]

2 hours ago, sandlemad said:

Of the two, Braggoth has the more background so I could see him featuring as something new, but then GW might just make a completely new character anyway.

Also his whole theme is after rampaging he inevitably gets trapped by the extra strength Everwinter curse that follows him around, gets frozen into a statue for several decades and then usually nearby stampeding monsters or battling armies wake him up and he bursts out and begins the whole process over again.

With the Vermindoom physical shaking several major continents that feels like an easy lead-in to him being awoken for the Hour of Ruin.(possibly even down there at the Snow Peaks south end of the Adamantium Chain near the Gnaw in Aqshy, those are snowy dormant volcanoes the nearby cities use the melted ice fall for drinking water. Could be where he awakens and leads a new Everwinter host to see how much meat those Moulder flesh pits have 🍖 ❄️)

 

Edited June 3 by Baron Klatz

[Dragon-knight77]

2 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

I feel like we are going to get a refresh of the Gutbusters and Gnoblars with the Beastclaw raiders remaining largely untouched other than resins. I love my Ogors and thus I might be a little blinded in my assement of which models will be the focus of the update.

Here is my guess for releases for a Mawtribes refresh:
Butcher, Resin character so it will be updated.
Slaughtermaster, Same as the butcher and maybe even share a kit
Gluttons, basic troops desperately in need of an update.
Leadbelchers, I still like these models but they are showing their age
Gnoblars, love these little folk and between blood bowl and underworlds it is clear GW does too.
Frostsabres, I imagine like the gorgers these will be taken in a new unit size.
Maneaters, I think this would be such a great theme for warcry but I also feel like they are so iconic that they are garunteed to make a return themed on the realms.

Sticking around for 4th:
Tyrant, New model looks great.
Gorgers, Very new models that look amazing!
Bloodpelt Hunter: Another new model that looks pretty great.
Mawpit: Released alongside Gorgers and looks awesome. 
Ironblaster/Scrap Launcher, This is a possibility for update but it is a complex kit that still looks good and as a dual kit the might want to leave it for now.
Mournfang Riders, I can imagine these getting an update but like the Ironblaster they still look good and are impressive kits but lack dynamism in terms of posing. If a plastic Beastclaw kit is to be updated I feel confident these will get done first and foremost.  
Stonehorn/Thundertusk, Still very impressive centrepieces with many options, I can see an update one day but likely in 5th or 6th edition.
Ironguts, I actually like the models but it is becoming almost a meme where the heavy armoured elite infantry get skipped over on the first refresh. I think that these will join Grave Guard and Saurus Guard in looking great... prior to the refersh showing how aged they really are.

Uncertain Futures:
Firebelly, I don't see this model jumping into plastic in fourth edition but making it into fifth or sixth with a Firebelly troop choice. In other words they will be supported in lore and as Butcher proxies and then get updated when at a later point as GW revisit the concept in the future.
Icefall Yhetees, I can imagine that GW want to have Gorgers fill the niche of Yhetees as the lightly armoured vicious options. Although, I hope I am wrong cause I will grab two boxes immediately.
Icebrow Hunters: I feel like Bloodpelt Hunter has kind of replaced their niche but it might be cool if they release one in a unit of Mournfang.
Great Mawpot: It will be interesting to see if GW will support two faction terrain pieces at once but as the older sculpt I feel like it is the less likely to return.
 

If i had to guess if we going by Seraphon refresh it about ~8 kits 

Refresh:

• Glutton: the basic infantry unit
• Leadblecher: The Range unit 
• Slaughterpriest: Leader unit 
• Frost sabre: quick cheap chaff unit
• Maneater: hero unit expect it to be customizable like the demon prince allowing build for each of the grand alliance
• Firebelly: An Easy hero refresh (tho can see a warcry theme warband)
• rest new hero unit & a name character

Staying because new-ish model

• Frostlord/Huskard on Stonehorn
• thundertusk Beaststrider
• Bloodpelt hunter
• gorger Mawpack
• Ironblaster/Gnoblar scraplauncher
• Tyrant
• mournfang pack

Uncertain

• Butcher
• Great Mawpot
• Yhetee (tho i can see these as warcry unit) if not i expect it be some sort of Big infantry model like Rat ogres or Kroxigor

Gone:

• Gnoblars: Gw doesn't really like swarms and much like the rat swarm we defitley get gnoblar on Ogres but won't see a unit of them
• Icebrow hunter: an old model that basically replace by the Bloodpelt hunter

Edited June 3 by Dragon-knight77

[Sahrial]

I don’t see them phasing out a whole piece of terrain, especially not as popular of one as the Mawpot. I think butchers are also almost guaranteed a plastic model if any kind of refresh happens. I feel like they have pulled away mention of Slaughtermasters in any lore blurbs in favor of Butchers in everything I can think of from the last couple of years.

I can unfortunately see them dropping the icebrow hunter and frost sabres, but I would hope there’s something new to replace them with.

this is literally me theorizing, no real basis for belief but a few patterns I think I’ve noticed:

GW seems to be focusing on Gutbusters as the central Ogors faction.

they seem to be phasing models out completely rather than in legends of late.

resin to plastic and range refreshes is dominantly on items and factions that are already popular, not on what “needs” it.

seraphon has always been a popular faction in the tournament scene. They got the first big refresh. Sylvaneth is very popular with newer players because of the models, they got an expansion wave. S2D was in a similar place but for lore and play reasons. Skaven has always been a fan favorite, and was guaranteed to pick up sales.

Beasts of Chaos was my bet on the next wave of refresh/expansion, because they were very similar to Skaven in terms of popularity, then the TOW thing happened and GW made a business decision I think they’ll come to regret in the long term.

Ogors are in a weird spot because as much as I love them, they are not as popular armies as the rest. I’m in Texas and we have a surprisingly dense Ogor player population (I think the Honest Wargamer has even expressed as much on his tournament breakdowns a time or two, “Texans love Ogors”, lol) and even with our very active AoS scene here we don’t see Ogors at every tournament or game day.

So I don’t think we have as much of a guarantee of range refresh as we’d like to think we deserve. I think it’s still possible and it think it’s objectively the best candidate to get one, currently, but that’s an if that anyone will get one this edition.

Barring a true range refresh or expansion I think a reasonable shake up will look like this:

Plastic Butcher: almost everyone takes a butcher or two in their lists. It will have people buy them.

Slaughterpriest: phased out

Icebrow Hunter: phased out or left alone

Frost Sabres: phased out if Hunter is, maybe updated to plastic in small a 4 model pack.

Firebelly: another good plastic contender because of how often they’re taken in tournament lists, but with no other support for the subfaction it could be discontinued easily

BCR monsters: left alone

Tyrant: left alone

Gluttons: could get a refreshed most likely left alone

Ironguts: more likely to get a refresh because of popularity and GW preferring elite unit updates

Leadbelchers: left alone

Ironblaster/Scrap Launcher: left alone

Mawpot and mawpit: left alone

Gnoblars: left alone

Gorgers: discontinued

Gorger Mawpack: fully replacing Gorgers

Yhetees: phased out; not a “popular” enough unit, and very niche BCR in a Gutbusters lore focus

Mournfang: left alone

Maneaters: new plastic kit or left alone. Only maybe a new kit because of the elite idea, but they don’t have the popularity of other units, and they also just got a relatively recent repackage.

New Gutbusters Foot Hero: probably named, but not anyone we’ve heard of

I’d expect this to be revealed around Christmas or more likely summer next year, along with the battletome.

again, this is just my gut feeling. I’m an Ogor. I go with my gut, even if it’s wrong.

[Big Kim Woof-Woof]

3 hours ago, Sahrial said:

Can I just chime in with how much I really appreciate how everyone wants Ogors to get some love. I’ve rarely seen so much unity in a game fandom.

it’s like GW went: “hey here’s some stuff! Talk about it!” On Friday and everyone has instead been “no we’re still worried about the big guys and you better treat them right.”

Everyone loves the big fat geezers! 

Personally I've never thought about collecting them, but I have two semi-regular Ogor opponents, and always have great fun against them. 

[Arzalyn]

1 hour ago, Dragon-knight77 said:

• Glutton: the basic infantry unit
• Leadbelcher: The Range unit 

Couldn't those two be combined in a dual-kit? I don't know much about ogors but the difference between those two is mostly the melee weapon and cannon right?

The beatclaw kits are from the endtimes right? While most refreshes this edition seen to have avoided releasing more than on monster (if any), they do seen like a good candidate for a normal hero + named hero dual kit. I doubt they would keep all the options the kit has if they end doing so.

26 minutes ago, Sahrial said:

Ogors are in a weird spot because as much as I love them, they are not as popular armies as the rest. I’m in Texas and we have a surprisingly dense Ogor player population (I think the Honest Wargamer has even expressed as much on his tournament breakdowns a time or two, “Texans love Ogors”, lol) and even with our very active AoS scene here we don’t see Ogors at every tournament or game day.

I just got a game in Texas today and was surprised on how many players brought Ogors to the event on have them! My normal community is medium sized, but we have like just 1 guy that collect them. I imagine most people that got into them either have the models from times they played fantasy or started the army some years ago due to the  beastclaw start collecting letting you build a 2k army with 3 boxes. It also make me wonder if it is not the case that people just collect them but don't bring them to tournaments due to them don't having strong rules in the last editions. At least with 2 and 3e I remember seeing them in top lists when their tome drop but they disappeared pretty quickly afterwards.