Dragon-knight77 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said: I think that's just due to your unfamiliarity with either CoS or their historical basis. The theme of CoS is that they are looking for safety wherever they can find it. To that end, on the battlefield, they try to bring their city walls with them. This is best exemplified by the Fusiliers and cannon: The pavises they carry are meant to resemble castle walls, hence the name "Catellite Formation". The cannon is the gate, the Fusiliers are the walls and the Warhulks are the towers. Here's an image from the battletome that illustrates the idea: To drive the idea home, the design of the new Cities forces is based on the Hussites, who are known for their wagon-fortresses which exemplify the same idea. Here's an illustration of what they looked like: You will no doubt be able to spot a number of similarities: The helmets, the hand-gonnes, the pavises, the collars... The historical inspirations don't end there, either. Cities also draws heavily from historical medieval art. The Gargoylians are a reference to marginalia, illustrations of fantastical creatures found in the margines of medieval books. I have also spotted a number of references to the vanitas paintings, which are basically a historical genre of painting centered around human mortality and the vanity of human ambition. Here's a direct reference, the Soul Shepard and his homunculus vs a medieval depiction of death: The most obvious reference to vanitas paintings is Pontifex Zenestra, however. Vanitas painting is a genre with very well-defined tropes. It is common for vanitas paintings to depict a tableau of items that each stand for a certain human endeavour that we are to be reminded is in vain: Scepters for political power, coins for wealth hourglasses and skulls for youth etc. Take a look at Zenestra and see how many of those elements you can spot: There is a lot of historical inspiration in the Cities of Sigmar. I would even say more than in most other fantasy human cultures I am aware of. You just have to know where to look and actually engage with them rather than taking one glance at them and defaulting to "looks generic". Ill add on to the whole CoS historical references The Steelhelm being based on 15t century men at arms around the French, Swiss and Netherlands forces (Left Empire= Landsknechte mercenary, Right Steelhelm= Swiss mercenary) other swiss influence the Caviler's are based on the Spaniards & french renaissance calvary (they lack lances but like that explain in lore that there potential unit that does) the Command corp having both a 16th century Plague doctor, 15th century shinobi & a renaissance heavy armor full platted armor knights that have ornate designs to them The Gargoylian being a product of not just Medieval marginalia but also the proto-Surrealism artwork of Renisssance painters like Hieronymus Bosch I can go on with Bombard being a turkish bomabard, Talhia Vedra just a gender swap Jan Žižka, The Boehiman handcannon arthur already posted so it definitely not "generic fantasy" simply cast a wide net rather the old WHF focus on one practical historical society Edited June 9 by Dragon-knight77 24 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 22 minutes ago, DinoJon said: So prior to 1.5 edition of Age of Sigmar, my game of choice was Warmachine. I kept up with the fluff in Warmachine almost 100% because I would consider the lore of the game to be relatively narrow when compared to Age of Sigmar. You could be up to date with just reading the anthology books and their No Quarter magazine. Really Age of Sigmar has a lot of amazing lore but it is spread out amongst so many different formats that I feel that it is hard for the average player to be able to consume all of it and by virtue of that GW has made it so a lot of the lore outside of campaign books will not push the narrative forward in any regard. Which I think since it doesn't progress the story it leaves a lot of fans feeling like Black Library books/other mediums aren't worth the investment in time and that then perpetuates that there is not enough lore for AOS. I personally read as many AoS books as I possibly can, just started "Darkoath" today and am hoping for some juicy tidbits about the setting post Vermindoom. To get back to rumors or such. There's like no chance AOS 4 gets announced today right? Literally no chance. Think just about the FF and how many we are still missing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) Great summary about CoS inspirations, guys, but you are missing the most important one: Doggos. The historical reference to the good ol doggo comes from... Jokes aside. I think almost anything fantasy wise can be narrowed down to historical inspiration of some kind, also, AoS tend to mix inspirations (as has been shown in the previous posts) not only time wise but cultures wise, while WHFB armies tended to be focused all around one culture and period per army or those similitude were easier to spot/associate. Edited June 9 by Ejecutor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavieth Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 17 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: Ill add on to the whole CoS historical references The Steelhelm being based on 15t century men at arms around the French, Swiss and Netherlands forces (Left Empire= Landsknechte mercenary, Right Steelhelm= Swiss mercenary) other swiss influence the Caviler's are based on the Spaniards & french renaissance calvary (they lack lances but like that explain in lore that there potential unit that does) the Command corp having both a 16th century Plague doctor, 15th century shinobi & a renaissance heavy armor full platted armor knights that have ornate designs to them The Gargoylian being a product of not just Medieval marginalia but also the proto-Surrealism artwork of Renisssance painters like Hieronymus Bosch I can go on with Bombard being a turkish bomabard, Talhia Vedra just a gender swap Jan Žižka, The Boehiman handcannon arthur already posted so it definitely not "generic fantasy" simply cast a wide net rather the old WHF focus on one practical historical society What a cool and informative post. This was a joy to read and really enlightening when it comes to where GW's designers took inspiration. Thank you for sharing this. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 54 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: Foot fish and headmaster from the Bosch paintings above are also found in CoS kits: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 31 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Great summary about CoS inspirations, guys, but you are missing the most important one: Doggos. The historical reference to the good ol doggo comes from... Jokes aside. I think almost anything fantasy wise can be narrowed down to historical inspiration of some kind, also, AoS tend to mix inspirations (as has been shown in the previous posts) not only time wise but cultures wise, while WHFB armies tended to be focused all around one culture and period per army or those similitude were easier to spot/associate. Don't tempt me there a bunch of stuff the Wilder corp are historical base on just from their crossbows and clothing alone but back to Rumors: Much like the Dominion celebration are we expected to a preview show any time They got to show off the 40k Inquisition codex soon enough especially since the Soritas and Genestealer codex came out in such a rapid pace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScionOfOssia Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Another source of inspiration can be found in old movies- Soulblight obviously crib notes from the classic depiction of vampires, but a less obvious one is actually Drekki Flynt, who, when you translate his name from Khazalid and likely Kharadrid, translates to “Arrow Flynt” (Since courtesy of at least Vermintide 2, we know Drekki translates roughly to Arrow) which is a homophobe of “Errol Flynn”, an actor from the 1930s who was famous for his roles as a swashbuckling rogue, something which Drekki is. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 7 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: Don't tempt me there a bunch of stuff the Wilder corp are historical base on just from their crossbows and clothing alone but back to Rumors: Much like the Dominion celebration are we expected to a preview show any time They got to show off the 40k Inquisition codex soon enough especially since the Soritas and Genestealer codex came out in such a rapid pace If it is like the Dominion Celebration, it will be on the 13th of June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 3 hours ago, Chikout said: Has anyone read the two awesome novels about the Van Densts? Do you refomend them? I will finish skavenslayer next week and I'm interested in another warhammer one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augusto Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 8 minutes ago, Beliman said: Do you refomend them? I will finish skavenslayer next week and I'm interested in another warhammer one. I did read the first one, and its pretty good and fun. It also its next in time to the siege of excelsis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoJon Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 14 minutes ago, Beliman said: Do you refomend them? I will finish skavenslayer next week and I'm interested in another warhammer one. Both are pretty good and I find their characters to be pretty interesting. The second book "Temple of Silence" takes place maybe a couple of months after the first. I would definitely recommend reading in order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachmani Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 The funny part is, that Lore & fluff can be told in different ways, with many of them being nonlinear or indirect. So while people might say they don't care about lore, what they mean is mostly, that they don't want to read stories or information about the background of their miniatures. What they might not realize however, is that they might get drawn to a certain design that exists the way it does precisely because of lore & fluff. The CoS miniatures are excellent examples of that. They are deeply rooted in reference, accentuated by a fantasy touch & all in all a splendid example of the many ways of story telling that exist besides stories. P.S. Thanks for posting so many reference images on the same point! Great work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/09/sunday-preview-heroes-of-beta-garmon-join-horus-heresy-and-legions-imperialis/ Horus Heresy week EDIT: All the resin showed for HH and previous big box content outside for Legion Imperialis That means that Dwarfs and Warcry are the only two things for the next week, or Necromunda (but that was announced for Summer so who knows). Edited June 9 by Nezzhil 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Warcry. The neverending story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greene Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Hmm so this HH will be released on end of Jule, so maybe next week could be 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 1 minute ago, Greene said: Hmm so this HH will be released on end of Jule, so maybe next week could be 4th All rumours point to another week after the next one. Edited June 9 by Ejecutor 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoJon Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 SERAPHON SHORT STORY COMING?! OLD ONES BE PRAISED!! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarouan Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Didn't expect Legion Imperialis battlegroups, but that's a good thing for LI players. It wasn't soon enough for the dwarves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edoval Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Do we have any rumours about the release date of the new version ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Edoval said: Do we have any rumours about the release date of the new version ? The 29th will be up for preorders. Edited June 9 by Ejecutor 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 28 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Warcry. The neverending story. One day. One day.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draznak Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 57 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Warcry. The neverending story. Next Sunday is the last before AoS 4th pre-order announcement. Last window for Warcry ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatforce Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 48 minutes ago, Sarouan said: Didn't expect Legion Imperialis battlegroups, but that's a good thing for LI players. It wasn't soon enough for the dwarves. After both I and a friend bought a fair few of the kits in it separately... Especially my friend, he literally got all of the things featured in it! Still waiting for the bloody Titan box set though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 minute ago, Draznak said: Next Sunday is the last before AoS 4th pre-order announcement. Last window for Warcry ? Warcry and old world Dwarfs hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 So, Skaventide will release the 13th of july. I see what you did there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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