Big Kim Woof-Woof Posted Tuesday at 01:40 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:40 PM 26 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said: They know people will use whatever models, but still need different product lines on offer for AoS and TOW because Citadel and Specialist Games are separate studios that need some kind of data to point to in order to internally justify the success of their projects. Yeah, I know... but what's the explanation for the squigs and fanatics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted Tuesday at 01:44 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:44 PM 1 minute ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: Yeah, I know... but what's the explanation for the squigs and fanatics? You can come up with a number of plausible possible explanations for it, but ultimately that's just speculation. I think the reasoning for the overall idea of having separate model lines is strong enough that I personally just treat weird edge cases like squigs as what they are: Outliers that don't conform to the general trend for some reason that is hard to determine from the outside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted Tuesday at 01:47 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:47 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, selnik said: Any chance it could be a replacement Chaos Sorcerer Lord, since the old model has disappeared from (some of) the webstore pages? I believe it will be the 4th edition STD foot hero. The old one will be repacked for ToW. You can see it on the top right next to old daemon prince. Spoiler Regarding miniatures moving from AoS to ToW , we will probably see in the future - STD : Chaos manticore , chaos lord - Cities : All dwarfs + steam tank + flagellants (hopefully replaced with CoS wave 2) - Sylvaneth : Dryads (hopefully replaced with new ones) On US webstore all Dwarfs are basically gone (for ToW repacking) Edited Tuesday at 01:49 PM by cyrus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted Tuesday at 01:55 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:55 PM 13 minutes ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: Yeah, I know... but what's the explanation for the squigs and fanatics? Both are different from the AoS version because they are using the older version of those models Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted Tuesday at 01:56 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:56 PM 7 minutes ago, cyrus said: I believe it will be the 4th edition STD foot hero. The old one will be repacked for ToW. You can see it on the top right next to old daemon prince. Reveal hidden contents Regarding miniatures moving from AoS to ToW , we will probably see in the future - STD : Chaos manticore , chaos lord - Cities : All dwarfs + steam tank + flagellants (hopefully replaced with CoS wave 2) - Sylvaneth : Dryads (hopefully replaced with new ones) On US webstore all Dwarfs are basically gone (for ToW repacking) The problem is thinking that all the ToW will have an update for AoS. I really doubt that dispossesed, resin models (daemons, ogors, etc...) and Chaos heroes will receive an update instead something different or simply removed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted Tuesday at 01:56 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:56 PM 16 minutes ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: Yeah, I know... but what's the explanation for the squigs and fanatics? They are different models for both games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Kim Woof-Woof Posted Tuesday at 02:01 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:01 PM 5 minutes ago, novakai said: Both are different from the AoS version because they are using the older version of those models But that's my point... they have shown no sign of re-releasing the old squigs or fanatics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted Tuesday at 02:03 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:03 PM 1 minute ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: But that's my point... they have shown no sign of re-releasing the old squigs or fanatics. But the new ones don't appear in any ToW photo, it is like the model doesn't exists yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted Tuesday at 02:13 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:13 PM 25 minutes ago, cyrus said: I believe it will be the 4th edition STD foot hero. The old one will be repacked for ToW. You can see it on the top right next to old daemon prince. Hide contents Regarding miniatures moving from AoS to ToW , we will probably see in the future - STD : Chaos manticore , chaos lord - Cities : All dwarfs + steam tank + flagellants (hopefully replaced with CoS wave 2) - Sylvaneth : Dryads (hopefully replaced with new ones) On US webstore all Dwarfs are basically gone (for ToW repacking) I am not expecting a 1:1 replacement of the ToW minis, especially the Manticore as it is kind of taken by CoS now, but as the new Khul daemonic form mentions a scorpion... maybe that's their spiritual replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted Tuesday at 02:15 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:15 PM 14 minutes ago, Nezzhil said: The problem is thinking that all the ToW will have an update for AoS. I really doubt that dispossesed, resin models (daemons, ogors, etc...) and Chaos heroes will receive an update instead something different or simply removed. You don't think it is at least somewhat likely that the current Dispossessed models will be replaced by new Cities dwarves in the next update? It seems to me that replacing the Steam Tank, Dispossessed and Flagellants in the next update is not impossibly ambitious. Although two large release waves in two editions would be unusual, it's not unheard of and Cities is a bit of a special case, too. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarakUrbaz Posted Tuesday at 02:19 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:19 PM 5 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: I am not expecting a 1:1 replacement of the ToW minis, especially the Manticore as it is kind of taken by CoS now, but as the new Khul daemonic form mentions a scorpion... maybe that's their spiritual replacement. Scorpions have been associated with Khorne for a while. First instance that comes to mind is that mutant Skullreaper with the scorpion tail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted Tuesday at 02:22 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:22 PM 2 minutes ago, BarakUrbaz said: Scorpions have been associated with Khorne for a while. First instance that comes to mind is that mutant Skullreaper with the scorpion tail. In 40k, Khorne had a bunch of scoprion daemon engines from forgeworld for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted Tuesday at 02:23 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:23 PM 6 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said: You don't think it is at least somewhat likely that the current Dispossessed models will be replaced by new Cities dwarves in the next update? It seems to me that replacing the Steam Tank, Dispossessed and Flagellants in the next update is not impossibly ambitious. Although two large release waves in two editions would be unusual, it's not unheard of and Cities is a bit of a special case, too. I think that people is overreacting with Cities. I don't see anything special or different that we had seen before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted Tuesday at 02:26 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:26 PM 1 minute ago, Nezzhil said: I think that people is overreacting with Cities. I don't see anything special or different that we had seen before. What would be an equivalent to CoS for you? Even if it is not from AoS. IMO it is something that we didn't see before in its way of turning from scratch into a proper faction eating the leftovers of a bunch of factions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Misfire Posted Tuesday at 02:27 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:27 PM 7 minutes ago, BarakUrbaz said: Scorpions have been associated with Khorne for a while. First instance that comes to mind is that mutant Skullreaper with the scorpion tail. 3 minutes ago, PraetorDragoon said: In 40k, Khorne had a bunch of scoprion daemon engines from forgeworld for a while. Oh to be young 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted Tuesday at 02:37 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:37 PM (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: What would be an equivalent to CoS for you? Even if it is not from AoS. IMO it is something that we didn't see before in its way of turning from scratch into a proper faction eating the leftovers of a bunch of factions. Slaanesh was almost removed from the Lore at the point that Archaon doesn't have any reference to that God in his model. If we check Slaanesh, it was a more extreme case of how to recover an old faction than Cities. The only difference is that first CoS book was more a whim of the designers than a proper AoS book. That book was a bless to the owner of these models because almost all the "forgotten kits" without a proper book were removed at the end of 2ed. Edited Tuesday at 02:40 PM by Nezzhil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PraetorDragoon Posted Tuesday at 02:38 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:38 PM 10 minutes ago, Double Misfire said: Oh to be young Ah, miniatures that are old enough to be collecting a pension. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted Tuesday at 02:58 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:58 PM 1 hour ago, Nezzhil said: The problem is thinking that all the ToW will have an update for AoS. I really doubt that dispossesed, resin models (daemons, ogors, etc...) and Chaos heroes will receive an update instead something different or simply removed. I am hyped for the potential new High Elf units (Eltharion? Alith Anar? Something else?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onemanarmy Posted Tuesday at 04:04 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:04 PM Anyone seen any flesh eater courts warscrolls yet? Think I've seen ones from every faction but them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted Tuesday at 04:07 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:07 PM 1 minute ago, onemanarmy said: Anyone seen any flesh eater courts warscrolls yet? Think I've seen ones from every faction but them Here it is all commented in Spanish, but with no pictures. Maybe with subs can work for you: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted Tuesday at 04:22 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:22 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Ejecutor said: I am not expecting a 1:1 replacement of the ToW minis, especially the Manticore as it is kind of taken by CoS now, but as the new Khul daemonic form mentions a scorpion... maybe that's their spiritual replacement. I am not expecting 1:1 replacement either. I can see a new chaos sorcerer for sure but maybe manticore will just leave the STD range for Tow WoC . I can see a Cogfort instead of steam tank and zealots instead of flagellants , but not new dispossed infantry. Dryads can be actually 1:1 replacement Edited Tuesday at 04:23 PM by cyrus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted Tuesday at 04:28 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:28 PM 2 hours ago, cyrus said: I believe it will be the 4th edition STD foot hero. The old one will be repacked for ToW. You can see it on the top right next to old daemon prince. Hide contents Regarding miniatures moving from AoS to ToW , we will probably see in the future - STD : Chaos manticore , chaos lord - Cities : All dwarfs + steam tank + flagellants (hopefully replaced with CoS wave 2) - Sylvaneth : Dryads (hopefully replaced with new ones) On US webstore all Dwarfs are basically gone (for ToW repacking) Chaos Spawn & Chariot are also being transfer to TOW Im sure Slave to Darkness would update the Chaos lord & Sorcerer with their own version with a new name change™ as their 4E tome cycle Free City feel like they just expand on what they have as roll the city dwarf into the current "subfaction" so stuff like a freeguild dwarf shieldwall or Dawii engineer on the Cogfort. That kind of what they implying from the Core Rulebook 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preppikoma Posted Tuesday at 05:28 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:28 PM 2 hours ago, Nezzhil said: 2 hours ago, Ejecutor said: . Slaanesh was almost removed from the Lore at the point that Archaon doesn't have any reference to that God in his model. No Greater Daemon challenger to be consumed by Dorghar, but the mark is still on the shield: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted Tuesday at 05:34 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:34 PM 2 hours ago, Nezzhil said: Slaanesh was almost removed from the Lore at the point that Archaon doesn't have any reference to that God in his model. If we check Slaanesh, it was a more extreme case of how to recover an old faction than Cities. The only difference is that first CoS book was more a whim of the designers than a proper AoS book. That book was a bless to the owner of these models because almost all the "forgotten kits" without a proper book were removed at the end of 2ed. I agree it is a good example of how to recover an old faction, as you said, but IMO the example is not comparable because of how CoS got different ranges rather than just one. That's what makes this a special and tricky case if I would have to pick something. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted Tuesday at 05:54 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:54 PM 2 hours ago, JackStreicher said: I am hyped for the potential new High Elf units (Eltharion? Alith Anar? Something else?) That seem unrealistic right now as they have not release any new units for ToW. Everything either been existing old models or a new hero model at best 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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