cyrus Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 29 minutes ago, JerekKruger said: Yep, looking at the quotes from both articles I am pretty confident they are both getting brought back as separate releases. I can't interpret the wording of the SCE article to simply be "the Knight-Arcanum was also part of the Stormcoven", as if that's what it was meant to say it does so in a really weird way. Moreover, I don't see any way of reading the Skaven article as anything other than "the Plague Pack is going to be brough back as a separate release". Yes , right ! It 's coming back: -Lord Imperitant from Dominion - Knight Arcanum from Dominion - Stormcoven from Underworlds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan's Cynic Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Preview of the new Stormcast and Skaven Battletomes, so pre-order is probably soon. Quote Battletomes now open with a fresh perspective: a lore section presenting a faction from their own point of view, alongside those of their enemies, allies, and other characters in the Mortal Realms. There’s gorgeous art and photography on every page, showcasing everything that makes each faction special. Set-in-stone Armies of Renown definitely seem to be here to stay in place of Allies: Quote New Armies of Renown give you a new way to play, while Regiments of Renown will allow you to dabble with army composition tricks – how about a complement of Skryre war machines for your Maggotkin of Nurgle, or a wing of Stormdrake Guard for your Lumineth realm-lords? There’s also a Path to Glory section with a personalised Anvil of Apotheosis to create custom heroes and tyrants, with paths to send them down as they battle. Interestingly it seems the Gamer's Edition they'd previously announced will be a softback, not a collector's edition as such: Quote Each Battletome will also be released as a Gamer’s Edition. These are smaller, softback editions which contain everything in the larger volumes, but in a compact form for use at the tabletop. They are packaged with an expanded set of Warscroll cards that cover everything you need to play – Battle Traits, Battle Formations, Heroic Traits, Artefacts of Power, plus Spell, Prayer, and Manifestation Lores, and then all of your units. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asbestress Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Preview of the new Stormcast and Skaven Battletomes, so pre-order is probably soon. Interestingly it seems the Gamer's Edition they'd previously announced will be a softback, not a collector's edition as such: I'm really liking that they are taking the BT lore sections in the same direction as the Core Book. Might pick up the Stormcast one to check it out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 6 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Preview of the new Stormcast and Skaven Battletomes, so pre-order is probably soon. Set-in-stone Armies of Renown definitely seem to be here to stay in place of Allies: Interestingly it seems the Gamer's Edition they'd previously announced will be a softback, not a collector's edition as such: I see players edition BT as a smaller tome without lore, so it is just cards and rules. basically for that, for players. A way to not have to "pay for the lore", but I guess the price will be the same if you take into consideration the cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Ejecutor said: I see players edition BT as a smaller tome without lore, so it is just cards and rules. basically for that, for players. A way to not have to "pay for the lore", but I guess the price will be the same if you take into consideration the cards. They said it includes all the information. There's no indication that the lore is being left out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draznak Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Interesting... artwork on the spell lore page is Domitan. Another step towards reusing this UW minis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 59 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Not faction terrain, but I always loved this KS: Zilvren Skyhold by Tired World Studio — Kickstarter Agree. They are awesome. The only thing missing is some type of forest, but that's easy to fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfyre Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 (edited) Quote Neither the Skaven nor Stormcast Eternals will see their core rules change much between their Faction Packs and Battletomes, but subsequent books might bring more substantial changes to Battle Traits and units. We’ll let you know more here on Warhammer Community. Interesting. Definitely expected the Battletomes to expand on the faction packs from a rule perspective. Edited August 30 by Starfyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Starfyre said: Laid out horizontally? What heinous act is this. Interesting. Definitely expected the Battletomes to expand on the faction packs from a rule perspective. The idea is to simplify the BTs, that includes the number of spells, prayers, artefacts,... We can expect changes but, as it happens with 40k, it will not be a big expansion of content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 7 minutes ago, Beliman said: Agree. They are awesome. The only thing missing is some type of forest, but that's easy to fix. Do KO have forests in the sky?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, Starfyre said: Interesting. Definitely expected the Battletomes to expand on the faction packs from a rule perspective. Yeah that's quite a surprise. I was sure there would more lores and more subfactions at least. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 20 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Preview of the new Stormcast and Skaven Battletomes, so pre-order is probably soon. Set-in-stone Armies of Renown definitely seem to be here to stay in place of Allies: Interestingly it seems the Gamer's Edition they'd previously announced will be a softback, not a collector's edition as such: Big Waaaagh! is coming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armisael Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Just getting confused here. From the battletomb artical it stated that. Quote Neither the Skaven nor Stormcast Eternals will see their core rules change much between their Faction Packs and Battletomes, but subsequent books might bring more substantial changes to Battle Traits and units. We’ll let you know more here on Warhammer Community. So, subsequent books here refer to "Skaven and Stormcast Eternals's battletomes" which they won't see their core rules change much between their Faction Packs and Battletomes but they will brings more substantial changes to Battle Traits and units. OR subsequent books here refer to "Battletomes aftert Skaven and Stormcast" which Skaven and Stormcast Eternals's battletomes won't see their core rules (plus Battle Traits and units) change much between their Faction Packs and Battletomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrozatarim Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 I really hope the battletomes come with more battle formations, at least - or that they have plans for some other way to add new formations into the game as the edition goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Just now, armisael said: Just getting confused here. From the battletomb artical it stated that. So, subsequent books here refer to "Skaven and Stormcast Eternals's battletomes" which they won't see their core rules change much between their Faction Packs and Battletomes but they will brings more substantial changes to Battle Traits and units. OR subsequent books here refer to "Battletomes aftert Skaven and Stormcast" which Skaven and Stormcast Eternals's battletomes won't see their core rules (plus Battle Traits and units) change much between their Faction Packs and Battletomes. Second option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfyre Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Just now, Nezzhil said: The idea is to simplify the BTs, that includes the number of spells, prayers, artefacts,... We can expect changes but, as it happens with 40k, it will not be a big expansion of content. Yeah get that - I just know when they tried that in 1st ed when all the rules were free their battletome sales fell off a cliff. A lot of the rules content we had in 2nd and 3rd comes from that, to give more of a reason to buy the book. To not expand it in a meaningful way over the freely available indices is risky, particularly when they state, for SCE and Skaven at least, their won't be many changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Acrozatarim said: I really hope the battletomes come with more battle formations, at least - or that they have plans for some other way to add new formations into the game as the edition goes on. 4 battle formations feels fine (could be 6, but it's not the end of the world). It's one spell/prayer lore and 3 artifacts/heroic traits which seems too few 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfyre Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, armisael said: Just getting confused here. From the battletomb artical it stated that. So, subsequent books here refer to "Skaven and Stormcast Eternals's battletomes" which they won't see their core rules change much between their Faction Packs and Battletomes but they will brings more substantial changes to Battle Traits and units. OR subsequent books here refer to "Battletomes aftert Skaven and Stormcast" which Skaven and Stormcast Eternals's battletomes won't see their core rules (plus Battle Traits and units) change much between their Faction Packs and Battletomes. Books after Skaven and Stormcast. Presumably because they'll have more data about how good certain things are or aren't in order to make changes and tweaks. Ideally starting with Hedonites of Slaanesh and fixing the terrible temptation mechanic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Just now, Marcvs said: 4 battle formations feels fine (could be 6, but it's not the end of the world). It's one spell/prayer lore and 3 artifacts/heroic traits which seems too few The formations at 4 is doable. It's not that I switched a lot between sub factions during 3rd. But keeping the spell lores at mostly 1 lore with only 3 spells and only 3 artefacts and heroic traits is very boring. Absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kempak Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 "You won’t find points in your battletomes. These will be available online on Warhammer Community when each book launches, linked via a QR code in the book, but at the back of each tome you’ll find a reference sheet covering your army’s most used rules. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 4 minutes ago, Marcvs said: 4 battle formations feels fine (could be 6, but it's not the end of the world). It's one spell/prayer lore and 3 artifacts/heroic traits which seems too few Yeah, I agree. There should at least a choice. There are already complaints that some of the indexes are close to being solved. Obviously points changes will help with that, but if the battletomes are as limited as the indexes it feels like a step too far especially with spearhead there for those who don't like list building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Quote There will be a comprehensive pack of Warscroll cards containing all of your heroes, units, monsters, Spearhead units, manifestations, and faction terrain available to purchase separately, in a smaller format designed to take up less space on the table. I find it curious that they mention manifestations and terrain in the data cards. It is not a confirmation per se, but looks promising for most of the armies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrozatarim Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 I'm not keen on just 4 battle formations for some armies like Skaven, where the four we have are all Clan-locked and can't even cover all the Clans in the process. I'd like to see some other options available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 So the REAL AOS ROADMAP that GW didn't want to show us ! 🙈 - 7th of September - Skaven preorder (as per Elarin rumours) - 28th of September - Stormcast preorder (as per Elarin rumours) - October/November : Slaves to Darkness BT + Darkoath Spearhead ( as per Warcom ) + very likely new Chaos sorcerer on foot - November/December : Narrative book supplement (as per warcom preview) Pariah Nexus alike 2025 January : Orruks warclans BT + Ironjawz Spearhead (as per Warcom) + very likely re release of Swampcalla shaman and Killaboss on foot from Dominion. February : Gloomspite BT + Army box + single releases (as per warcom) = rumored Gitmob with armoured troggoths wave March : Death BT to be announced (as per Warcom ) aka "What about Death as main protagonist of 4th edition ?" 😉 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Acrozatarim said: I'm not keen on just 4 battle formations for some armies like Skaven, where the four we have are all Clan-locked and can't even cover all the Clans in the process. I'd like to see some other options available. Armies of Renown, wait for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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