The Rumour Thread

[01rtb01]

Not surprising with the level of rat pre orders this week. I'd imagine kill team will be announced next Sunday as they've milked it hard to say the least.

[PraetorDragoon]

I wanted to say that i would expect Kill Team later as the autumn boxed game release, but then I realised it is September already.

[RetconnedLegion]

I’d love those little boxed games but it’s a heck of a commute to get them since I’m UK and they’re US and Germany only. 

[Hollow]

Too many people's perceptions seem to have been warped by an ever-expanding release schedule. For quite some time there has been a growing number of complaints that the release schedule was too much, too often and that things would sell out too quickly. This was noted in their annual report and GW has increased its stock holdings by more than double and just yesterday there were more than 30 items put up for pre-order! 

I do wonder what people's expectations are when it comes to GW's release schedule. I have read multiple comments regarding both AoS and 40k, that the release schedule is looking "sparse". It seems a bit like damned if they do, damned if they don't. (I do think that the factory expansion is playing a part in this to allow for reworking of logistics) 

Taking AoS. I do wonder if the system (and sales) would benefit if they moved away from large single-faction releases and broke up monthly releases to cover each of the Grand Alliances. So that there would be a sense of continued support each week/month. Rather than going for a large splash release of a single faction and then not doing much with it for several weeks, months or even years. 

It certainly has been a release strategy that has worked for GW up until now and I assume there are multiple pros to having multiple kits worked on for a single faction at a time. 

With Skaven now nearly completely redone and with only Ogors as a faction that needs a bigger refresh. Would people prefer to see say 1 or 2 kits for each Grand Alliance up for pre-order each week spread out over the year, or for GW to continue with large expansions, second waves and full faction refreshes? 

 

Edited September 8 by Hollow

[Ejecutor]

3 minutes ago, Hollow said:

Too many people's perceptions seem to have been warped by an ever-expanding release schedule. For quite some time there has been a growing number of complaints that the release schedule was too much, too often and that things would sell out too quickly. This was noted in their annual report and GW has increased its stock holdings by more than double and just yesterday there were more than 30 items put up for pre-order! 

I do wonder what people's expectations are when it comes to GW's release schedule. I have read multiple comments regarding both AoS and 40k, that the release schedule is looking "sparse". It seems a bit like damned if they do, damned if they don't. (I do think that the factory expansion is playing a part in this to allow for reworking of logistics) 

Taking AoS. I do wonder if the system (and sales) would benefit if they moved away from large single-faction releases and broke up monthly releases to cover each of the Grand Alliances. So that there would be a sense of continued support each week/month. Rather than going for a large splash release of a single faction and then not doing much with it for several weeks, months or even years. 

It certainly has been a release strategy that has worked for GW up until now and I assume there are multiple pros to having multiple kits worked on for a single faction at a time. 

With Skaven now nearly completely redone and with only Ogors as a faction that needs a bigger refresh. Would people prefer to see say 1 or 2 kits for each Grand Alliance up for pre-order each week spread out over the year, or for GW to continue with large expansions, second waves and full faction refreshes? 

 

I prefer the current approach. IMO it feels more exciting to have a wait (or long wait) and then receive a decent number of kits rather than receiving something from time to time.

[AquaRegis]

11 minutes ago, Hollow said:

 

I do wonder what people's expectations are when it comes to GW's release schedule. I have read multiple comments regarding both AoS and 40k, that the release schedule is looking "sparse". It seems a bit like damned if they do, damned if they don't. (I do think that the factory expansion is playing a part in this to allow for reworking of logistics)  

 

In all fairness the issue that most 40k players have with the lack of releases until next year, is that so far a couple of popular codexes that haven't had anything yet (along with some dire codexes). This will inevitably lead to 10th ed codexes being released in 2026 and then being invalid when 11th inevitably comes around soon after. 

Space marine 2 came out recently and you would think that they would do some tie in marketing, but releasing thousand sons or an expansion or whatever to take advantage of the increase in popularity. They decide to release nothing,  and tease Krieg for next year instead. 

[Kronos]

Is this not the beginning of the big slow down? 

I thought I’d heard mutters of AoS, 40k and Old World all slowing their releases until after Xmas. There’s also the inevitable War of the Rohirrim Boxset and minis which I reckon will debut near around the films release in December. So Stormcast, The missing Blood Angels, chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl, the missing Angmar Units. Some. Xmas army box sets and thats it until new Year I imagine? 

[Vasshpit]

59 minutes ago, Hollow said:

With Skaven now nearly completely redone and with only Ogors as a faction that needs a bigger refresh. Would people prefer to see say 1 or 2 kits for each Grand Alliance up for pre-order each week spread out over the year, or for GW to continue with large expansions, second waves and full faction refreshes? 

I'd prefer your 1-2 per week or so idea. 

I think it'd be a great way to update kits, for example I'll use grave guard, in between battletomes. 

I'm also anxious that we'll see a lot of faction terrain and endless spells and this will be viewed as "new models" for faction. Technically they are but I'd prefer actual unit models. Some like faction terrain and spells but I jut find them silly and cumbersome. And oh yeah you pretty much need to have it or you put yourself at  disadvantage. 

 

 

 

54 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

I prefer the current approach. IMO it feels more exciting to have a wait (or long wait) and then receive a decent number of kits rather than receiving something from time to time.

Yes but what happens when you do the long wait and you get a single negligible foot hero and that's it?

It doesn't feel good. 

 

Also I think it feels like more has come more often with all the old world stuff but for a good portion of us it's, well, old and isn't all that exciting on top of some pretty silly prices. So I can understand the release feelings. 

 

And finally, wheres the damn hill trolls!!??😄

Edited September 8 by Vasshpit

[Ejecutor]

47 minutes ago, Kronos said:

Is this not the beginning of the big slow down? 

I thought I’d heard mutters of AoS, 40k and Old World all slowing their releases until after Xmas. There’s also the inevitable War of the Rohirrim Boxset and minis which I reckon will debut near around the films release in December. So Stormcast, The missing Blood Angels, chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl, the missing Angmar Units. Some. Xmas army box sets and thats it until new Year I imagine? 

S2D, with its BT and some new minis, the new AoS campaign book. Presumably the Krieg army box. I guess something for UW and Warcry... I think it will be more packed than that. Also, I don't expect War of the Rohirrim to launch something that big.

[Ejecutor]

14 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:

Yes but what happens when you do the long wait and you get a single negligible foot hero and that's it?

It doesn't feel good. 

 

Also I think it feels like more has come more often with all the old world stuff but for a good portion of us it's, well, old and isn't all that exciting on top of some pretty silly prices. So I can understand the release feelings. 

 

And finally, wheres the damn hill trolls!!??😄

Just...



I count that single hero releases as part of the wait.

[ScionOfOssia]

28 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:

Yes but what happens when you do the long wait and you get a single negligible foot hero and that's it?

The exact same thing that would happen when that single foot hero is all we get for the rest of the edition but psychologically it feels like everyone else is getting more love than you are.

[cyrus]

11 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

S2D, with its BT and some new minis, the new AoS campaign book. Presumably the Krieg army box. I guess something for UW and Warcry... I think it will be more packed than that. Also, I don't expect War of the Rohirrim to launch something that big.

War of Rohirrim should be launched in December when the anime movie hits the theaters and it’s going to be “big” for a specialist game. (same product manager and same studio of ToW )

It’s going to be a full relaunch after the last years “frozen” due to Middlearth rights uncertainty.

So expect faction focus and multiple articles about the new rules before the launch. 

[PraetorDragoon]

46 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

S2D, with its BT and some new minis, the new AoS campaign book. Presumably the Krieg army box. I guess something for UW and Warcry... I think it will be more packed than that. Also, I don't expect War of the Rohirrim to launch something that big.

Well there is the new Lotr edition announced. Tie in with the new movie would be logical, but then. This is GW.

Nothing has been announced for UW and Warcry so I wouldn't expect anything for them this year.

[cyrus]

3 hours ago, Hollow said:

With Skaven now nearly completely redone and with only Ogors as a faction that needs a bigger refresh. Would people prefer to see say 1 or 2 kits for each Grand Alliance up for pre-order each week spread out over the year, or for GW to continue with large expansions, second waves and full faction refreshes? 

 

I think in 4th edition we will still look at big refresh and release : 

Skaven is a 17 (!!!) kits refresh/release  

Ogor mawtribes could be  around 10 kits refresh 

Cities wave 2 could be around 5 kits 

Chorfs/Hammers of Hashut could be around  12 kits .

 

From 5th edition I can see GW moves on small waves only ( except for starter armies )

 

 

Edited September 8 by cyrus

[Ejecutor]

44 minutes ago, cyrus said:

I think in 4th edition we will still look at big refresh and release : 

Skaven is a 17 (!!!) kits refresh/release  

Ogor mawtribes could be  around 10 kits refresh 

Cities wave 2 could be around 5 kits 

Chorfs/Hammers of Hashut could be around  12 kits .

 

From 5th edition I can see GW moves on small waves only ( except for starter armies )

 

 

I think if we have a swift in the pattern it will be tested out first on AoS rather than risking doing it on 40k, but I don't think we will move into smaller waves.

In fact, the current model from 40k is already kind of that. They release new boxes for all armies, it just missing new minis in most of the cases apart from a hero or two. That way, even if you don't have new minis, at least have new discount boxes to fill your armies.

[Ejecutor]

I was listening to the Extremis Chamber loremaster episode and it mentions a couple of interesting stuff, IMO.

1. The Stormdrake Guard is not part of the Extremis Chamber. They are part of the Paladins Conclave.

2. They mention once that the Dracothian Guard is the super heavy cavalry. I don't think this super has been picked randomly and could be in line with the discussion we had about the new Palladors stepping on their feet. The Palladors would be heavy cavalry and the Dracothians would be one step ahead in terms of bulkiness.

[01rtb01]

4 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

I'd prefer your 1-2 per week or so idea. 

I think it'd be a great way to update kits, for example I'll use grave guard, in between battletomes. 

I'm also anxious that we'll see a lot of faction terrain and endless spells and this will be viewed as "new models" for faction. Technically they are but I'd prefer actual unit models. Some like faction terrain and spells but I jut find them silly and cumbersome. And oh yeah you pretty much need to have it or you put yourself at  disadvantage. 

 

 

 

Yes but what happens when you do the long wait and you get a single negligible foot hero and that's it?

It doesn't feel good. 

 

Also I think it feels like more has come more often with all the old world stuff but for a good portion of us it's, well, old and isn't all that exciting on top of some pretty silly prices. So I can understand the release feelings. 

 

And finally, wheres the damn hill trolls!!??😄

I've been waiting for plastic noise marines since 1996. I'm sure you'll be reet  

[Dragon-knight77]

2 hours ago, Ejecutor said:

1. The Stormdrake Guard is not part of the Extremis Chamber. They are part of the Paladins Conclave.

did they specifically say not part of the Extremis chamber?

they could be part of the paladin conclave but still part of the Extremism chamber

conclaves are indicative of the chamber it more a typing of the unit like the Paladin conclave are heavy units (think like Tank class in video-games) while Redeemer conclave are dps infantry focus, Angelos conclave are mobility based, Ordinatos are war-engineers

like the other units of the Paladin conclave are

• Annihilators who are in the Warrior chamber
• Reclusians who are in the Ruination chamber 

while Angelos conclave have

• Prosecutors formerly in the warrior chamber now in the ruination chamber 
• Stormstrike chariot
• Vanguard hunter
• Vanguard palladors 

Redeemers

• Liberators
• Sequitors
• Vanquishers
• Vindicators

The Sacristan engineer who operates the ballista are only ordinatos units & Evocator is the only Corpuscant unit

[Greene]

1 hour ago, Dragon-knight77 said:

 

like the other units of the Paladin conclave are

• Annihilators who are in the Warrior chamber
• Reclusians who are in the Ruination chamber 

 

Reclusians are Paladin?  I though they were just normal people in  runination chamber

cuz they wear normal thunderstrike not like Annihilators.

[adjucator]

Smaller, more frequent releases could be interesting. Might help spread the hype out more.

[Mandzak-Miniatures]

So.. is it weird that Warhammer Official on Twitter liked several posts today, that I made about my “Araby” project from 9-2023 through 2-2024?

feels out of place considering it’s not relevant to anything they have recently released. Unless it’s tied to the upcoming DKoK stuff because my basic infantry are converted from that veterans kit..

Not saying it’s for any reason, just seems odd since I’m sure they have an ocean of things they could ‘like’ that isn’t from a year ago.. like how far back that had to dig

[Dragon-knight77]

9 minutes ago, Greene said:

Reclusians are Paladin?  I though they were just normal people in  runination chamber

cuz they wear normal thunderstrike not like Annihilators.

Paladins just mean the unit are heavy weapon and armor type warriors and in the Ruination chamber that what Reclusians are normal stormcast that are given heavy armor and weapon to fight a scorched earth warfare

Yes Reclusians are paladins they wear the paladin logo (The Crescent moon)

 

the Annihlators also do have Thunderstrike armor it (unoriginally) name Heavy Thunderstrike armor

[Ogregut]

1 hour ago, Mandzak-Miniatures said:

So.. is it weird that Warhammer Official on Twitter liked several posts today, that I made about my “Araby” project from 9-2023 through 2-2024?

feels out of place considering it’s not relevant to anything they have recently released. Unless it’s tied to the upcoming DKoK stuff because my basic infantry are converted from that veterans kit..

Not saying it’s for any reason, just seems odd since I’m sure they have an ocean of things they could ‘like’ that isn’t from a year ago.. like how far back that had to dig

Other than the person behind the account thinking your stuff is awesome, I wouldn't read to much into it, I still get likes on posts from 7 years ago and I know it not from people scrolling my account, it's just the algorithm showing people what it thinks they'll like. 

 

[Mandzak-Miniatures]

16 minutes ago, Ogregut said:

Other than the person behind the account thinking your stuff is awesome, I wouldn't read to much into it, I still get likes on posts from 7 years ago and I know it not from people scrolling my account, it's just the algorithm showing people what it thinks they'll like. 

 

Yes absolutely fair. Just seemed odd, especially when trying to crystal ball what any, if anything it could allude to. I’ve had them like stuff, but it within a day of posting. But not this far out, just seemed off.

[Greene]

1 hour ago, Dragon-knight77 said:

 

thx for explain, I was thinking they only wear heavy armor like annihilator.