The Rumour Thread

[Dragon-knight77]

1 hour ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Underworlds roadmap. Also includes information on Grand Alliance bundles and the physical cards:

Other warbands will be getting re-released eventually and they're committing to quarterly balance updates:

 

Not a good roadmap but definitely leagues better than the main game we got 

So i guess they'll show off the Seraphon vs Nurgle warband tomorrow, than the next one next year in LVO in which i guess we'll find out about who the third herald warband is (if it is Gitmob or they're eliminated from the options)

1 hour ago, Nezzhil said:

Asperon Thorn 
Curnoth Darkwold
Gobbler Grimlich
Horkon Heartripper
Madcap Migzz

So we will have 10 SP with rules

Dam i think your the only Bloodbowl rumor guy i know 

Aee these like legacy player that are getting new models or new guys?

[Dragon-knight77]

5 minutes ago, PraetorDragoon said:

Interestingly, the Sons of Velmorn did feature in the "art" of cards, but didn't show up in the repackaged warbands. 

Well same thing with Breathern of the bolt i think it just that their overlapping faction they later realse it

[Vasshpit]

13 minutes ago, PraetorDragoon said:

Interestingly, the Sons of Velmorn did feature in the "art" of cards, but didn't show up in the repackaged warbands. 

This may point to that 4chan rumor awhile back about a "Wight kings court" release for SBGL.

[KingBrodd]

11 hours ago, EthanolMuffins said:

If Soulblight is focus for the big death thing, I wonder if that is teeing OBR up as the main focus for 5th, if the seeming pattern holds

 

Would like some OBR love in 4th tho, I want to see more than a single model for them

I want Ossiarchs to get at least a new unit this Edition. They are the most neglected of the Death Factions and if 5th Edition is Death focused again Id like to see them be the antagonists in the Starter Box.

1 hour ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Underworlds roadmap. Also includes information on Grand Alliance bundles and the physical cards:

Other warbands will be getting re-released eventually and they're committing to quarterly balance updates:

 

Incredible!! Those faction boxed sets are going to sell lile gangbusters!!

[PraetorDragoon]

1 minute ago, Vasshpit said:

This may point to that 4chan rumor awhile back about a "Wight kings court" release for SBGL.

That sounds plausible. Although there is the halberd that points to a new wight unit. (or just a hero)

[BarakUrbaz]

Just now, PraetorDragoon said:

That sounds plausible. Although there is the halberd that points to a new wight unit. (or just a hero)

I mean given the rumors on the way it could easily just be part of an upcoming Wight subfaction deal. Battlebox with new Grave Guard and Black Knights, new Zombie Dragon with either no rider or maybe even a Wight King rider, Sons of Velmourn replacing Wight King on foot the same way Plaguepack replaced Plague Priests on foot, maybe a named character, wrap it all up with a Deathrattle Kingdoms Army of Renown in the Soulblight battletome. 

[Ejecutor]

45 minutes ago, PraetorDragoon said:

Interestingly, the Sons of Velmorn did feature in the "art" of cards, but didn't show up in the repackaged warbands. 

Probably one of the free download cards.

[Ejecutor]

43 minutes ago, Hollow said:

Correct.

The AoS Roadmap was bad just in terms of layout and graphic design, it was badly laid out and not intuitive at all. AoS is the flagship system with 20+ armies vying for multiple products each. UW is not. 

Apart from specific dates and model pics. What information is "missing" from the UW roadmap in your opinion? 

IMO it would have been a cool addition knowing the GA of the upcoming warbands, and a Q1/ Q2 flag for those upcoming 3 in 2025.

Also, the post adds way more stuff than the ones we got for Nova, but in terms of just the roadmap itself, I would have added that. More info without messing with the graphic.

[Ejecutor]

45 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said:

Not a good roadmap but definitely leagues better than the main game we got 

So i guess they'll show off the Seraphon vs Nurgle warband tomorrow, than the next one next year in LVO in which i guess we'll find out about who the third herald warband is (if it is Gitmob or they're eliminated from the options)

Dam i think your the only Bloodbowl rumor guy i know 

Aee these like legacy player that are getting new models or new guys?

I think he is getting those from the videogame, as the releases have been mirroring that lately.

44 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said:

Well same thing with Breathern of the bolt i think it just that their overlapping faction they later realse it

I think we will see the Bolt guys with the CoS BT (if the patter of one UW warband coming back is maintained).

Edited yesterday at 02:57 PM by Ejecutor

[Gotz]

31 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Probably one of the free download cards.

Free cards are the character cards. There are not going to be free decks. 

Warbands now are not tied to a deck. This edition warbands just have the warscroll card and the character cards. 

It seems that decks are going to use all the range despite are being sold or not.

As it has been said Velmorn could replace the wight king in Soulblight battletome or just be repackaged at some point in the future as the article seems to imply that is going to happen with some warbands. 

[ScionOfOssia]

This may mean we’ll see another Warband for Ossiarchs, because if Mir Kainan doesn’t become a generic unit we can use and we only get another bloody Hero this edition, I swear to god I’m going to lose it. At the very least, give us a new unit that’s not a Hero. 

[The Red King]

Call me a Cynic but I feel two bad things with this latest announcement.

 

One. Why are they bundled exactly? It's not like they share sprues so it sure feels like a cash grab because they probably refused to sell them at the good price point they were at but also didn't want to admit to jacking the price way up. It's kind of like the old FOMO duel boxes. "You can have the old warband but only if you pay for these 3 bands you didn't want."

 

Two, and this is a question, but I'm disheartened by the chaos box. If UW bands don't have to be attached to a book then maybe beasts can still exist in specialist games but that feels like copium.

[Mortal Wound]

11 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

One. Why are they bundled exactly? It's not like they share sprues so it sure feels like a cash grab because they probably refused to sell them at the good price point they were at but also didn't want to admit to jacking the price way up. It's kind of like the old FOMO duel boxes. "You can have the old warband but only if you pay for these 3 bands you didn't want."

Stock management and SKU bloat concerns. It's a big deal for both GW itself and independent stockists to need to keep in stock just four products rather than sixteen. Especially for a game with a spotty track record in terms of sales, it would have been a tall ask to have retailers jump in on a range of almost 20 individual products from the get-go.

Edited 23 hours ago by Mortal Wound

[Ejecutor]

8 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Call me a Cynic but I feel two bad things with this latest announcement.

 

One. Why are they bundled exactly? It's not like they share sprues so it sure feels like a cash grab because they probably refused to sell them at the good price point they were at but also didn't want to admit to jacking the price way up. It's kind of like the old FOMO duel boxes. "You can have the old warband but only if you pay for these 3 bands you didn't want."

 

Two, and this is a question, but I'm disheartened by the chaos box. If UW bands don't have to be attached to a book then maybe beasts can still exist in specialist games but that feels like copium.

Too much copium with Beasts. They had a warband and didn't return. It would hurt more than anything if a side game kept them alive.

[Snarff]

1 hour ago, The Red King said:

Call me a Cynic but I feel two bad things with this latest announcement.

 

One. Why are they bundled exactly? It's not like they share sprues so it sure feels like a cash grab because they probably refused to sell them at the good price point they were at but also didn't want to admit to jacking the price way up. It's kind of like the old FOMO duel boxes. "You can have the old warband but only if you pay for these 3 bands you didn't want."

 

Two, and this is a question, but I'm disheartened by the chaos box. If UW bands don't have to be attached to a book then maybe beasts can still exist in specialist games but that feels like copium.

Next to keeping the products in stock, I actually think it's a good way to get people into the game at the start of a new edition. As long as the boxes are not the price of 4 times an individual warband, you get 4 of them with their rules permanently available digitally.

But then again, I'm also a fan of the two-faction starter sets and dual boxes that I ended up splitting with friends, saving us both a considerable amount of money. Unless I liked both armies and kept both, still saving me a considerable amount of money.

I actually do think the Beasts of Chaos and Bonesplitterz warbands will stay supported rules wise. Especially due to this bit in the Warcom article:

Every other existing warband will be granted digital fighter cards and warband warscrolls available for free download.

[The Lost Sigmarite]

4 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

This may point to that 4chan rumor awhile back about a "Wight kings court" release for SBGL.

That's actually a pretty clever reasoning. Turning the Sons of Velmorn into a generic Wight King and his entourage does make sense.

[Red Bull]

Do we know if Rivals decks are being sold separate from Warbands? I really hope they are. Or else, I don't think this new system really fixes some of the issues holding the old version back?

Other than that, I'm excited

 

[Lucentia]

I am also kinda hoping for that, I don't really care for the Skaven or SCE team in the new box, so separate deck releases would be nice.  But you'd also need the new board, so suspect that sort of stuff might be locked to the core set (except for the new rivals decks releasing later down the line.)  

But it won't be a long wait to find our exactly what products will get split out.

[Gotz]

58 minutes ago, Red Bull said:

Do we know if Rivals decks are being sold separate from Warbands? I really hope they are. Or else, I don't think this new system really fixes some of the issues holding the old version back?

Other than that, I'm excited

 

As far as I've understood the articles, warbands don't come with rivals decks. Starter box has 4 and the rest are sold separately

[cyrus]

6 hours ago, Ejecutor said:

RIP my guess for the bingo with Khagra’s Ravagers.

 

I think it is RIP all around for STD returning warband, there’s no mention on STD reveal : https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/frlcmcob/warhammer-day-preview-praise-the-dark-gods-with-a-new-battletome-sorcerer-and-spearhead/

@dmorley21 was sure about Stormcast and Skaven returning warbands but not for other armies. 

[CommissarRotke]

On 10/17/2024 at 3:49 PM, Ejecutor said:

Btw, I could be late to the party as Strombringer has already ended for the UK and I am not reading my issues yet, but I didn't know the issues had a CoS builder based on a dice roll system similar to the one that was in warcom long ago!

I am not fully aware of all its options, but it seems to be a more up-to-date version. The options above are all about the Shyphon Nexus.

I think it might be interesting as someone asked for the old builder when warcom changed.

Wow, how do we track this down to transcribe it online?? This is nice to see but a bit inaccessible

[cyrus]

5 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

This may point to that 4chan rumor awhile back about a "Wight kings court" release for SBGL.

There is something much more reliable than a 4chan rumor 😉👍

[Ejecutor]

28 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

Wow, how do we track this down to transcribe it online?? This is nice to see but a bit inaccessible

In fact, I was checking it and now I realised almost all the issues have this kind of stuff!

Some are focused on a hero, some on a unit. Some on a faction, a battlefield, a crusade, a building... it is super cool!

[Sception]

5 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

I want Ossiarchs to get at least a new unit this Edition. They are the most neglected of the Death Factions and if 5th Edition is Death focused again Id like to see them be the antagonists in the Starter Box.

I'm also hoping for more than just a pity hero for OBR this edition, but I'm not sure it's fair to call the faction 'neglected' in any way.  Their launch release in late 2e was one of the most complete and most impressive for a brand new AoS faction, really only outdone by the Lumineth, who are an outlier far removed from the norm in terms of how favored they've been by the GW studio.

Yes, OBR only received a single infantry hero in 3e, if you don't count box game releases, but that's not really outside the norm at all.  If they get the same treatment in 4e then we might have some room to start complaining.  Maybe.

As for comparison to other Death factions...

Soulblight got a big push in their late 2e revamp, but most of that was replacing old models, and the overall release wave was about the same size as OBR got - if you don't count the glut of named infantry vamps, limited release models, & box game stuff.  And in 3e, again ignoring box games, soulblight got... 2 infantry heroes.  Twice what OBR got, but hardly enough to complain about favoritism.  They've got a lot of kits, but far too many of them are still whfb holdovers, and some of the gaps in their product range (in particular cavalry vampire lord) are at least as glaring as anything you might say OBR lacks.

Nighthaunt got a big push at the start of 2e, but suffered from wonky box size issues that are honestly still a problem.  Since then they've gotten, what, crossboos, the drowner, and the scriptor mortis?  Not bad, honestly.  A unit and two heroes, one of which is cool and big and mounted, much better than pity hero only.  Nighthaunt have probably seen the best product support out of any of the undead factions in AoS, but still not enough to complain about favoritism, especially with how little attention the narrative has given to the Nighthaunt since the end of 2e.  And they're still stuck with a handful of WHFB models that really need to be updated.

FEC... were the poster child for lack of support until late 3rd edition.  I don't think any other faction were so bad off as to have GW pretending that a unit champ painted different could count as a hero... three times over.  Yes they just had a fantastic glow up... but even now there are leftover WHFB models that don't really look up to par, and they're /still/ relying on 'paint the unit champ different' for two of their courtier heroes, and outside of heroes they still have fewer units to work with than OBR.  So despite the recent very impressive release wave, I think it would still be reasonable to argue that FEC are the most neglected undead faction in AoS.

....

Anyway, overall I also very much hope for a slightly more substantial OBR release in 4e, but if we get another minimal release only to end up the starter box antagonists of 5e as many have speculated then I don't think we could complain about that at all.

Honestly, what I most want to see out of Death factions in 4e isn't product line development, but Narrative development.  GW will only be able to resist bringing Nagash back for so long.  If Death are the big players again in 5e I expect Nagash's return will be part of that.  Which means the writers really only have this edition remaining to take advantage of the opportunity Nagash's absence provided to flesh out the mortarchs, their individual personalities and personal motivations and ambitions, and what they're capable of when Nagash doesn't have his boney hands on their leash.

Mannfred and Neferata have been at war with each other since the end of 2nd edition, but we've gotten to see very little of it.  I want the 4e Soulblight tome to give me details of that conflict, territories gained and lost, how the lesser dynasties have responded - which have thrown their lot in on one side or the other, which have stayed out of it, and what have the costs of that neutrality been?

What does Olynder want?  Who is she and what does she do when Nagash isn't giving her orders?  What became of her alliance with Be'Lakor?  Her background and origin are fantastic, but it's frustrating how much of a blank state she still is in the modern setting.

In Dawnbringers we got to see Ushoran take advantage of the Ghyran crusade to escape from Neferata's control and the OBR's containment.  So what does he do with his newfound freedom?  Where does the kingsblood plot thread go?  Will he pick a side in the Soulblight civil war?  Now that FEC finally have a strong personality to drive their presence in the overall narrative, I want to see the writers actually take that and DO something with it.

As for OBR... they're so closely tied to Nagash that I'm content with them maintaining more or less a holding pattern until he returns, but I do want to see how exactly they're responding to the new Skaven threat, and whether or not they're able to maintain their foothold in the Eight Points.

 

 

[Goatforce]

@Sception I think the only place where Nighthaunt difinitively get favouritism in Death is in video game representation, where they are always the Death rep - though that may not be saying much as there hasn't exactly been a deluge of AoS games.