Sception Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Been working on my own Arkhan, mount's mostly done but haven't finished the rider yet. So yeah, I wanted *a* Petrifex nerf, if not one this bad, but I'm still quite sad that I didn't finish this project in time to get it on the table in the brief window when he was actually good. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasrod Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Katakros - 500 Liege-Kavalos - 200 (Sword Rend 3 artifact) Mortisan Boneshaper - 130 Mortek Guard x 20 - 260 Mortek Guard x 10 - 130 Kavalos Deathriders x 5 - 180 Immortis Guard x 3 - 180 Necropolis Stalkers x 3 - 180 Morghast Harbingers x 2 - 190 Nightmare Predator - 40 -- Casual for funsies list, goal being to place a ton of varied units onto the table. Fast units charge to their doom to let Katakros and pals advance. Immortis Guard stick to Katakros to keep his aura at max range for turn 2. Boneshaper is here because the Nightmare Predator is my 2nd favorite model in the line up (Morghasts being favs). I know players are upset about PE nerf, but it makes placing Katakros on the table feel so much more relevant. The points nerf to the big guys also gave me way more freedom to make this list in the first place. Excited for the changes, and relieved to have less of a "that guy" stigma for playing these guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Antiguo Guardián Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Katakros list was great with Petrifex. Now, I think that MP with Katakros is the best option for tournaments. I want to try 12 stalkers. Maybe it´s crazy but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQuadly Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Okay, so this is might be a weird/silly question so I apologise in advance. I've seen people running Katakros as general in MP armies and I've been using the Azyr app to do army building but when I do, it says I need to assign the MP command trait to a general when I put a second hero on the list? Do you have to do that or is it being weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 8 hours ago, LordQuadly said: Okay, so this is might be a weird/silly question so I apologise in advance. I've seen people running Katakros as general in MP armies and I've been using the Azyr app to do army building but when I do, it says I need to assign the MP command trait to a general when I put a second hero on the list? Do you have to do that or is it being weird You can't, because Katakros can't have a command and you want him to be your general. Greetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Azyr's just being weird. App's good for referencing rules & scrolls, but the list builder's not the best. Warscroll-builder or battlescribe are both better gor that, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simakover Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Hello. With PE changes how Nagash list would looks like the best? im want to play with Nagash,may be not super competitive, but im start collecting OB for Nagash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharklone Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Lads, have a 1000pt game coming up. Not sure what to run. kinda of looking at Crematoriums Leige Kavalos - General with trait and artefact Boneshaper 20x mortek 3x Deathriders 1x Harvester bone tithe shrieker thoughts? maybe a different legion. Likely going up against, LRL, KO, IDK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoriano Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 3 hours ago, simakover said: Hello. With PE changes how Nagash list would looks like the best? im want to play with Nagash,may be not super competitive, but im start collecting OB for Nagash. I'm trying it too, but is PE the best choice for you? I want to try every legion and also without legion... do you have any list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btimmy Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Quick question: does anyone know the rule for returning slain models into combat/daisy chaining them to pull other units in? I have seen people mention an FAQ on this matter but I cannot seem to locate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutek Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Returned models can only be placed within 3" of an enemy unit if the unit they are returned to is already in combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Antiguo Guardián Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 On 7/30/2020 at 1:09 PM, Sharklone said: Lads, have a 1000pt game coming up. Not sure what to run. kinda of looking at Crematoriums Leige Kavalos - General with trait and artefact Boneshaper 20x mortek 3x Deathriders 1x Harvester bone tithe shrieker thoughts? maybe a different legion. Likely going up against, LRL, KO, IDK Deathriders are 5! I don´t like boneshapers. If you´re using crematoriums maybe I will run only a soulmason for the spells and 2x harvesters with more mortek than riders, watingfor the "KABOMS" and then return the models with the harvesters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Yea I really got no idea where to put Nagash now in OBR, losing both +1 save but also the non stacking damage ignores from protection of nagash really hurts the build. PArt of me wants null myriad, but it is really useless against any lists without magic to speak of, but will be really really good against some meta armies like Hallowheart, Tzeentch, Kroak and soon Teclis lists. Stalliarch is always decent, run+charge is always nice to have, mobility wins games after all and maybe using 2 units of deathriders could also see play for the cmd. Crematorium is rather meh all around and difficult to get much value from. MP does debuff bravery which helps with soul stealer and the few non battleshock immune armies out there... The artifact is ok if you bring a Liege for some DP generation, which could also be important for that once per game D3 on a critical turn perhaps, as a Nagash list will hunger for RDP. Immortis guard might even have a use to keep him standing... maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I'm just kind if frustrated that they wrote OBR with so many ward saves to begin with, they had to know the restriction to only one at a time was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjfiv3 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Has anyone had any experience with OBR in meeting engagements? If so what are your thoughts on them in that setting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jjfiv3 said: Has anyone had any experience with OBR in meeting engagements? If so what are your thoughts on them in that setting? I find them quite good. Meeting engagements favor speedy units due to the few turns and late arrivals from board edges. Deathriders are great, they might not be the wall as mortek are, but they are super fast and still a great cav unit in their own right. I kavalos is of course also a decently fast general, Arkhan could also be a possible choice of leader for this, with a group of mortek in the main body and riders for spearhead and rear guard or stalkers. OBR work decently well without battalions and all kinds of crutches and specialist builds for meeting engagements, while some 2k armies really need all the bells and whistles to raise their power exponentially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I haven't played the 2020 version of Meeting Engagements, but the 2019 version was unfortunately dominated by big flying monster cheese, something OBR can't really compete with due to a lack of such units. I'm not sure if anything about the 2020 version would change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 From what I can tell, this might be one of the most competetive ways of running OBR moving forward. I have a set core in mind, but with 400 pts to move around. I know 2 catapults would be a popular choice, but I am not convinced it is the only choice. I am unsure about just taking 1 catapult and if it then might be best to not take any at all. I have considered bumping the 5 riders to a 10 man unit, to take better advantage of their command and also better ensure they stay on the table to benefit from the healing of Arkhan and Katakros. As a 10 man unit it is also a potent hammer, as they can pile in 6", which helps with the big footprint. A harvester could be interesting, which could also greatly improve the durability of the morteks, especially if one unit is being used as a frontline screen to take on any bloodthirsters or other nasty business with high damage and MW output. The main weaknes seems to be if Arkhan is shot down, with a double turn tzeentch magic phase or KO shooting phase etc. So Immortis guards could be of assistance and also more safely let Arkhan engage next to those guys in melee as well. Thoughts? Core list: Allegiance: Ossiarch Bonereapers- Legion: Mortis PraetoriansArkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament (360)Katakros, Mortarch of the Necropolis (500)- General20 x Mortek Guard (260)- Nadirite Blade and Shield20 x Mortek Guard (260)- Nadirite Blade and Shield5 x Kavalos Deathriders (180)- Nadirite Blade and ShieldNightmare Predator (40)Total: 1600 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 If you want a low drop army, you can take a mortisan, 10 Morteks and the batalion Shield Corps. A lot of CPs and low drops. If the enemy has bloodthirsters, Gothizzar can be usless because of the MW 8" area, but it can be very powerful against other CaC armies. I think double Crawler isn't very good at this moment. The opponent can take Ulgu and it would be difficult to shoot down enemies. Maybe Zandtos is a nice pick thanks to the bonuses (repeat 1s or all to wound). Greetings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 hours ago, ACBelMutie said: Maybe Zandtos is a nice pick thanks to the bonuses (repeat 1s or all to wound). With MP being the go to now for Katakros builds, it would make sense even though it doubles down a bit on the same stuff Katakros does (being a liege). It is hard to get Katakros in 12" range of his +1 attack command though, and having zandtos run along a big unit of deathriders could maybe work, he is quite killy on the charge as well and he provides the 2 RDP himself to buff a unit with both +1 attack and reroll 1s to wound. With that setup it would still only be 6 drops, not the best, but in my experience it is also below a lot of other lists right now still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjfiv3 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Thoughts on this list for ME? My scene is kinda casual and i just love the harvester model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I played something like 2 Boneshappers, 1 Soulmanson (General), 1 Gothizzar, 20 Morteks and 10 Morteks at Petrifex (post-nerf). It was a 2Vs2. It was not easy to take down the Morteks, so they had to focus heroes (shooting). Greetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obeisance Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 What do your guys think of this list? The idea is to try to run Arkhan somewhat aggressive, weaken stufg/threaten characters with the catapults and the Leige can give +1 attack and +1 to hit to units. And Arkhan can explode on 5+. Won't be casting Protection on him, as it's a double edged sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCar09 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 I think the best for competitive now is Katakros and his legion. Arkhan in petrifex now is too dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragest Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Someone has proved a list focused on cavalry and charges? I saw some interesting things about in the tome, but didnt try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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